White House Staffers Meet With Citizens Who Say They Were Victims of Marriage Fraud

[Orangesapples 1,954]

44 minutes ago, E & J 2018 said:

I'm guessing you are the beneficiary...… It's not a try before you buy, proposal. 

 

Of course you are 100% sure and everything is beautiful, love is in the air and your love will last forever.  How many people have thought this when they were getting married and now they find themselves divorced.

 

The letters of intent aren't worth the paper they are written on and have nothing to do with what I'm saying.

 

All I'm saying is that you should have more time to actually live together in the United States, so BOTH parties are fully happy with this new life and the life long commitment they are about to make to each other.

 

A change of heart can happen with the petitioner or the beneficiary.

 

This will benefit both parties.

 

Yes, the beneficiary is leaving their home country, possibly selling a home, leaving a job, etc.....

 

This is the risk they are taking.

 

I know that if I sold everything and left this country and then wanted to come back home, I would have many options with family and friends to live with them, while I re-establish my life.

 

The USC should not be on the hook for them for 10 years! What if they were blindsided and scammed?  If the marriage does not last atleast three years, they should have to return to their home country or at least leave the USA. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In reality, the petitioner is not on the hook. They will just have to reimburse the government if the beneficiary uses certain benefits but the government usually doesn't bother pursuing this because it's not worth it. So your so called 10 year risk is not an actual risk. 

 

And if you think that the risk the beneficiary takes is OK then your much smaller risk is even more OK. If your marriage doesn't work out, you can easily just stay in your country and continue as before you were married, the same if you had married a local. And no, giving the petitioner that much power is not a good idea at all - people should be free to leave a bad situation without fear about their immigration status. 

 

The long time in limbo for AOS from a K1 is bad enough already, why do you want to make it even worse? 

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LOL. I really don't see why people would like the government to intrude even further into their relationships than they already do in the immigration process... why can't people take responsibility for their romantic relationship failures? Its your relationship, your life, and your heart. Scams happen, and people fall for it, and I'm quite certain most of the time the signs are blisteringly obvious. Pick yourself up and move on. It is not the government's responsibility for personal happiness.

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8 minutes ago, RLA said:

So the risk is actually smaller than if you had sex without a condom.  There you could also be blindsided and scammed, except that you'd be on the hook for 18 years.  The thing is, you're in perfect position to protect yourself.  Don't have sex until you can trust the other person, and don't petition until you can trust them.  However, you do have to do it, protect yourself.  USCIS is not your mom.  It's not their job to make you protect yourself.  And it's not their job to protect you when you fail to do it yourself. 

 

I think all things considered the K1 process isn't significantly more risky than marriage and relationships in general, where you can also be on the hook for expensive divorces, child support, alimony, and whatnot.  So I don't see any great need to make it safer for USCs. 

There are so many holes in your last post...….  it is borderline ridiculous.

 

The one thing I will say is, MOST people in the USA date for years before getting married and have spent countless hours together.... 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, E & J 2018 said:

There are so many holes in your last post...….  it is borderline ridiculous.

 

The one thing I will say is, MOST people in the USA date for years before getting married and have spent countless hours together.... 

 

 

And? That is the choice YOU make when you decide to start a LDR. If it worked back in the 1800s, my goodness in our modern times people have a remarkable opportunity, even in an LDR to spend lots of hours together in many ways... that is if both persons are honest and serious about things.

 

Statistically in the USA, people may date for years before getting married... spent the hours, and... still end up divorced.

 

My ex was an idiot. It didn't matter how much time I spent, he was still an idiot. My sister lived with a guy we all knew was an idiot for YEARS. That relationship soured eventually. She moved on, and eventually married rebound guy. It isn't the best relationship honestly, but it was her choice to make. And our opinions on that choice don't and shouldn't matter... nor should the government be involved in being relationship police, or 'helping' the USC see their choice in partner is an obvious idiot. Because 99% of the time if you tell your family member, friend, or someone you know their choice in partner is bad news... what do you think will happen?

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[Orangesapples 1,954]

5 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

And? That is the choice YOU make when you decide to start a LDR. If it worked back in the 1800s, my goodness in our modern times people have a remarkable opportunity, even in an LDR to spend lots of hours together in many ways... that is if both persons are honest and serious about things.

 

Statistically in the USA, people may date for years before getting married... spent the hours, and... still end up divorced.

Exactly. And those that specifically look for foreign spouses because they can't find what they want at home, were usually single for a reason. 

 

Its not the government's job to help you make better choices in your personal life. I'd rather they invest in making the process faster and easier. 

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3 minutes ago, E & J 2018 said:

There are so many holes in your last post...….  it is borderline ridiculous.

You are perfectly welcome to point out all those holes, or just the most egregious ones.

 

4 minutes ago, E & J 2018 said:

The one thing I will say is, MOST people in the USA date for years before getting married and have spent countless hours together.... 

But they are not required to do so, and in fact many USCs get married pretty hastily, without having dated for long or having lived together.  It's the same with the K1 process.  Most couples seem to take their time and do their due diligence, and they tend to work out just fine.  

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What 10 years?

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9 minutes ago, Boiler said:

What 10 years?

Did you watch the video in the OP?

 

This is a worst case scenario. Read below -

 

https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/affidavit-support

[E & J 2018 132]

41 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

Exactly. And those that specifically look for foreign spouses because they can't find what they want at home, were usually single for a reason. 

 

Its not the government's job to help you make better choices in your personal life. I'd rather they invest in making the process faster and easier. 

Exactly. And those that specifically look for foreign spouses because they can't find what they want at home, were usually single for a reason. 

 

Very offensive to many Americans.  You want/wanted to come here because you couldn't find anyone at home? I'm sure there is a very good reason

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, E & J 2018 said:

All I'm saying is that you should have more time to actually live together in the United States, so BOTH parties are fully happy with this new life and the life long commitment they are about to make to each other.

Yes, it would be very lovely indeed to have that possibility.  I'm afraid, though, that it would be at odds with the spirit of the current immigration laws.  It's not the law's intention to increase people's dating and marriage options, to meet people from abroad.  The law enables USCs and LPRs to bring family members to the US.  Thus, USCIS will allow you to bring somebody to the US if you have already committed to them, if they're already a family member.  But USCIS don't see it as their job to help you find a spouse, so they don't allow you to bring somebody to the US just so you can get to know them better.  I mean, it would be awesome to have that opportunity, but it would mean expanding immigration in a time when many Americans would rather limit it.  

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9 minutes ago, RLA said:

Yes, it would be very lovely indeed to have that possibility.  I'm afraid, though, that it would be at odds with the spirit of the current immigration laws.  It's not the law's intention to increase people's dating and marriage options, to meet people from abroad.  The law enables USCs and LPRs to bring family members to the US.  Thus, USCIS will allow you to bring somebody to the US if you have already committed to them, if they're already a family member.  But USCIS don't see it as their job to help you find a spouse, so they don't allow you to bring somebody to the US just so you can get to know them better.  I mean, it would be awesome to have that opportunity, but it would mean expanding immigration in a time when many Americans would rather limit it.  

Yes, it would be very nice.

 

I think they should be a little more lenient with tourist visas..... They should loosen up a little with issuing a tourist visa and just increase the penalty if you violate the terms. Maybe a lifetime ban, if you do not have a valid excuse as to why you stayed longer than you should have.... 

 

I know a few good people,  that only wanted to come here for a few weeks and they were denied a tourist visa.

 

I'm not asking USCIS to help me find a spouse, but letting the beneficiary come here on a tourist visa would benefit both parties. What if the beneficiary hates it here?

 

I don't know..... It's a very complicated issue today and there are so many different scenarios.

[Orangesapples 1,954]

33 minutes ago, E & J 2018 said:

Exactly. And those that specifically look for foreign spouses because they can't find what they want at home, were usually single for a reason. 

 

Very offensive to many Americans.  You want/wanted to come here because you couldn't find anyone at home? I'm sure there is a very good reason

 

 

 

 

I meant those that specifically look for foreigners to marry, not those that just happened to fall in love with a foreigner. 

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58 minutes ago, E & J 2018 said:

Did you watch the video in the OP?

 

This is a worst case scenario. Read below -

 

https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/affidavit-support

Not the worst case scenario. As the I 864 clearly states.

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3 hours ago, E & J 2018 said:

Yes, it would be very nice.

 

I think they should be a little more lenient with tourist visas..... They should loosen up a little with issuing a tourist visa and just increase the penalty if you violate the terms. Maybe a lifetime ban, if you do not have a valid excuse as to why you stayed longer than you should have.... 

 

I know a few good people,  that only wanted to come here for a few weeks and they were denied a tourist visa.

 

I'm not asking USCIS to help me find a spouse, but letting the beneficiary come here on a tourist visa would benefit both parties. What if the beneficiary hates it here?

 

I don't know..... It's a very complicated issue today and there are so many different scenarios.

The US were pretty lenient and look how well that turned out...