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[The happy man 0]

4 hours ago, ambularanne said:

My best friend married a man from Morocco 7 years ago and that's actually how my fiance and I met- through them.

Usually CO suspected arranged marriage especially if they think ur best friend husband and ur fiance are related, did the CO ask about that?  

How long did u  know each other before applying for K1 , 

I agree with the other members that ur best choice now is getting married and apply for CR1 but u need to know the reason Of deny first and try to  overcome it cos that could cos the Sam answer for ur next cr1 . Good luck 

[Jordan J 3]

@cdneh agreed that it won't put an end to the AP, at least it will make the relationship more concrete, 
remove any doubts if they may have and give me more rights as a Citizen.

Edited July 10, 2018 by Jordan J

[EmmNM 179]

9 hours ago, missileman said:

 Exactly what was said during the interview?

 

9 hours ago, florida racer 73 said:

travel history could be a small issue, but I agree there had to have been a reason, did he ask the consul what the reason was or did he just say ok and walk out?

 

What else transpired during the interview?

 

 

9 hours ago, missileman said:

It would be of benefit to now exactly what was said during the interview.......

 

OP. Why did you never answer this question? It was asked multiple times. If you want help you have to be more transparent. This is one of the most important questions that was asked and you haven't answered it.

[cdneh 3,112]

1 hour ago, Jordan J said:

@cdneh agreed that it won't put an end to the AP, at least it will make the relationship more concrete, 
remove any doubts if they may have and give me more rights as a Citizen.

Are you not a US Citizen? I cannot follow your logic.

[Abdeslam 47]

Since you don't wanna share what happen during the interview , I assume that your fiance has been denied because he didn't answer the CO question properly. 

[Jeanne Adil 1,651]

11 hours ago, TNJ17 said:

You always leave the interview knowing why you were denied. Ask your fiancé because he should know and maybe just didn’t tell you. They always tell you why you are refused. Unfortunately because this is a K1 you cannot appeal. The case is sent back to USCIS to expire. If you know the reason why you were refused and it’s not due to something that makes him ineligible for a visa, don’t waste your time waiting for USCIS. Go over there and get married. Then withdraw your K1 petition and apply for CR1. It will a while and some more money. It will also require several visits. Good luck. 

sorry but casa only marks the 221g white sheet with an x on the 221g spot

we see this over and over

[Michael2017 368]

11 minutes ago, h&y said:

and by the way there was NO age difference with us, nor religion... which is hilarious when people ask about this for other countries.. what about the age differences in the Philippines? i guess it's acceptable for an 65 year old man to marry a 19 year old there.

I think it has to do with the a lot of fraud committed in the past in Morocco. I can imagine that uncountable USCs have contacted the embassy after they got duped. Same applies for B-visas. There are countries with 5% and lower B visa rejection rate and countries with 75% rejection rates. Much of this is based on previous fraud experience in that specific country. As for Philippines, I would imagine that most of those young girls marrying older men stay committed to them in the USA and the embassy gets less negative feedback. There must a reason why Morocco, Nigeria, Ghana and Pakistan has such a high refusal rate of K1 visas, and in my opinion it has to do with past cases. Those past cases made the embassy more strict. Of course this is unfair in case of legit relationships but there is no perfect world.

[florida racer 73 200]

10 minutes ago, h&y said:

Well, if I recall it's illegal to get a divorce in the Philippines. (even if you're living abroad) For whatever reason, these women are probably staying with these men because maybe they'd be shunned going home. Who knows. I don't agree with it and I'm not afraid to say that because people are so quick to jump at people from Morocco about Fraud or that "We are lying" because there's "Always" a reason for denial. Unfortunately with Morocco, that isn't true. I wish they'd give us a reason but they won't. I wish I could say that I understand ANY reason for denial in Morocco, but when age differences aren't a big deal in some countries and ARE in others - I don't see the fairness. (Just an example because again, we have no age difference.)

 

The process apparently "is what it is.." and we are stuck dealing with deciding our future. This goes for everyone struggling in the process. Judged based on the country you're applying from, from the moment you get assigned a case number. If I could have done one thing differently, I would have front loaded a ton more information.... but the directions on the K-1, made it seem to just send in the basics that they asked for. (max. 10 photos, etc)

Try not to take it personally, the reason a post may be considered high fraud is because of people before you. you just were unfortunate to suffer the consequences.

 

at this point I understand you want to vent your frustrations, but now you should be looking to either switch to a cr1 spouse visa or building a bullet proof second k1 visa.

Edited July 11, 2018 by florida racer 73

[Crazy Cat 41,919]

44 minutes ago, h&y said:

i guess it's acceptable for an 65 year old man to marry a 19 year old there.

Cultural norms are part of the considerations, yes.

[florida racer 73 200]

7 minutes ago, h&y said:

It should be taken personally though. How else will people understand the process? I have sent an e-mail almost every day to every major person I could think of to bring this immigration process to someones attention. It's a system that is so broken and needs adjusting. I can't just sit back and not do something. It's really true that Morocco leaves people hanging. I read somewhere on here that a fiance was asked about his fiances weight and if her being heavy bothered him. I mean really? We are stooping so low at interviews that we are asking about WEIGHT?

 

We are unsure of what we are going to do. I'm heading back to Morocco in August and I'm mid- gathering paperwork needed to get married. I may end up staying, which is the only confusion we are currently going through. Stay a few years then apply for a CR-1, but that just leads to more issues because I'd be working in Morocco, not the USA... i mean, nothing is easy. Everything is SO complicated for no reason at all.

Well, the system may or may not be broken but it is the system that is in place right now and we just have to deal with it as written.

 

if you go and marry and decide to stay that may be another issue, when it comes time at the nvc state for the affadavit of support you may not have the taxes filed if living abroad and you will need proof of domicile in the US, just a few things for you to be mindful of so you do not incur any problems in the future.

 

if you want my opinion, I can see by your statements you are upset and angry, might I recommend that you sit back and take a rest for a few hours and clear your mind before proceeding, i know it is easier said than done but it will help to make clearer and more informed decisions.

 

just my suggestion.

Edited July 11, 2018 by florida racer 73

[florida racer 73 200]

 I can't just sit back and not do something. It's really true that Morocco leaves people hanging. I read somewhere on here that a fiance was asked about his fiances weight and if her being heavy bothered him. I mean really? We are stooping so low at interviews that we are asking about WEIGHT?

 

unfortunally, this is some things that the co’s might do at certain embassies.

 

remember the co job is to access the evidence in front of him, look at the action and reaction of the beneficiary during the interview and to ask questions, some of which some people moght find offensive but in reality it is a probing question that the co is using to determine the feelings of the beneficiary to the petitioner.

 

it is only my opinion on this but I think I might be sloghtly correct

[florida racer 73 200]

2 minutes ago, h&y said:

I appreciate your concern but I'm actually fine lol, I was just trying to let this person know that she isn't the only one from Morocco to not get an answer on why her fiance was denied. And it's frustrating when I see people comment over and over again to question the fiance as if he's lying that he wasn't given a reason. Morocco just doesn't give reasons, that's it. If they aren't convinced, you get a big fat no and nothing else.

 

and yes, I know the issues we'd face. which is why I'm considering all options. i may end up just taking a leave of absence and heading over for a few months. we'll see. thank you though

You are welcome, good luck to you in how you proceed, wish you the best

[RJandHamid 1,133]

There is a reason Morocco is so tough. The reality is that there has been a lot of visa/marriage fraud occurring, and it's the job of the consulate to do what they can to prevent it. Does it mean that legitimate couple get denied sometimes? Yes. And I'm sure there are cases of fraud that slip through as well.  

 

They will sometimes ask personal and invasive questions, like the one h&y mentioned about the petitioner's weight. The officers are trained in determining the intention and honesty of the people they are interviewing. Of course no CO is perfect, and even the beneficiary can get nervous and answer a question in a way that doesn't make sense to the CO. This is especially true when there is a language difference. And as someone else mentioned above, cultural norms are very highly taken into consideration. In general, those who are denied have some idea as to why. Most of the time, the officer will hint toward the reason being the lack of evidence of a genuine relationship. It could be for many reasons, and I think the most common being that the I-129F wasn't front-loaded well enough. 

 

The current system is in place to protect the USA, as well as the USC. I know that this makes the system seem unfair to those who go through the visa process in high fraud countries, but if we want to place the blame on someone, it should be placed on those who have given these countries a bad immigration reputation.

[Boiler 45,581]

2 hours ago, h&y said:

I appreciate your concern but I'm actually fine lol, I was just trying to let this person know that she isn't the only one from Morocco to not get an answer on why her fiance was denied. And it's frustrating when I see people comment over and over again to question the fiance as if he's lying that he wasn't given a reason. Morocco just doesn't give reasons, that's it. If they aren't convinced, you get a big fat no and nothing else.

 

and yes, I know the issues we'd face. which is why I'm considering all options. i may end up just taking a leave of absence and heading over for a few months. we'll see. thank you though

She did know why she was refused, nobody is suggesting she was going to get chapter and verse from the Consulate.

[EmmNM 179]

33 minutes ago, h&y said:

Sorry but I'm over the whole "Fraud" debate. It happens everywhere. In fact, divorce rates have gone up when it comes to the K1 Visa. So who is really coming here for the wrong reasons? The people who are already here. And sure, maybe some marriages just don't work out due to cultural reasons, but we'd never truly know the reason. Either way, divorces to me are the same thing. Get your green card and go is the same to me as being denied.

 

I get what you're saying, but you're also speaking from someone who was approved. You don't have that inner gut feeling that somewhere along the lines, something didn't make sense. And while you would think a denial is for one reason, it's not. I thought it was regarding MY past relationship but after going through everything, there's just no way. I was single for quite some time before meeting my fiance.. so whatever the case may be - sometimes Morocco just doesn't give a reason and I don't find it acceptable to be tough on one country, but not another. I just don't. Deal with everyone the same. Less approvals could also mean less divorces. But I guess someone from a "non muslim" country has the opportunity to get divorced in the first place, right?

Much harder and longer to get a green card with a K1. More face time before marriage since you have 90 days. Much more time spent together while waiting for AOS interview in order to get the green card. K1 denials just don't seem like its because of fraud.