Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Not surprising to some here.  And to others, they see it as no big deal (as in we owe it to them).  But it’s still a burden.  51% on welfare.

 

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Those numbers increase for households with children, with 76% of immigrant-led households receiving welfare, compared to 52% for the native-born.

 

The findings are sure to fuel debate on the presidential campaign trail as Republican candidates focus on changing the nation's immigration laws, from calls for mass deportations to ending birthright citizenship.

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

[Rob and Cheryl 56]

46 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Not surprising to some here.  And to others, they see it as no big deal (as in we owe it to them).  But it’s still a burden.  51% on welfare.

 

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

The article does not provide a crisp definition of "welfare".  I wonder if the CIS study links income tax equalization as welfare. 

 

 

Also some programs come with dividends for society at a minimum cost to the taxpayer. Fir example free and reduced lunches.

[jg121783 3,921]

From the article:

 

"The center's report is based on 2012 data from the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation. It includes immigrants who have become naturalized citizens, legal permanent residents, those on short-term visas and undocumented immigrants."

 

The article didn't break down the data but I'm willing to bet the illegal aliens are the ones out of that group that get the most welfare. I know when my wife and step son came here we had to agree to not accept any welfare and I could be wrong but I would assume the same is true for any other form of legal immigration. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

31 minutes ago, Rob and Cheryl said:

The article does not provide a crisp definition of "welfare".  I wonder if the CIS study links income tax equalization as welfare. 

 

 

Also some programs come with dividends for society at a minimum cost to the taxpayer. Fir example free and reduced lunches.

Income tax equalization is a law, not welfare.  And since the company pays the increased tax, there is no harm to the country of residence.

[Rob and Cheryl 56]

1 minute ago, Satisfied said:

Income tax equalization is a law, not welfare.  And since the company pays the increased tax, there is no harm to the country of residence.

This makes no sense to me. Taxes are law and government programs are law.  My question is: "what is the scope of items defined as Welfare?"  Is the EIC considered welfare in the study?

 

The United States federal earned income tax credit or earned income credit (EITC or EIC) is a refundable taxcredit for low- to moderate-incomeworking individuals and couples, particularly those with children. The amount of EITC benefit depends on a recipient's income and number of children.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 minutes ago, Rob and Cheryl said:

This makes no sense to me. Taxes are law and government programs are law.  My question is: "what is the scope of items defined as Welfare?"  Is the EIC considered welfare in the study?

 

The United States federal earned income tax credit or earned income credit (EITC or EIC) is a refundable taxcredit for low- to moderate-incomeworking individuals and couples, particularly those with children. The amount of EITC benefit depends on a recipient's income and number of children.

Stop moving the goal posts.  You were talking about tax equalization, and now about EIC.  Two different topics.  And neither have anything to do with welfare, to my knowledge.

[Rob and Cheryl 56]

Just now, Satisfied said:

Stop moving the goal posts.  You were talking about tax equalization, and now about EIC.  Two different topics.  And neither have anything to do with welfare, to my knowledge.

Feel free to answer the question, where is the list of programs considered Welfare?  

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 minutes ago, Rob and Cheryl said:

Feel free to answer the question, where is the list of programs considered Welfare?  

I don’t know.  But I do know that tax rules are not welfare, as they benefit everyone in a particular situation, not just immigrants, and not just poor folks.

 

What about the poorest folks not having to pay taxes at all?  Is THAT welfare?

 

But since you asked, and I had to look it up for ya, here’s one link:

https://www.thebalance.com/welfare-programs-definition-and-list-3305759

Edited July 8, 2018 by Satisfied

[Rob and Cheryl 56]

16 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

I don’t know.  But I do know that tax rules are not welfare, as they benefit everyone in a particular situation, not just immigrants, and not just poor folks.

 

What about the poorest folks not having to pay taxes at all?  Is THAT welfare?

I guess unless I read the CIS study on my own I won't get an answer. My opinion and your opinion on what is welfare was not included in the study so it really does not matter. 

My parents accept SS and Medicare, I accepted VA benefits and went to a higher ed institution that subsidized the training, my brother used unemployment for 6weeks 4years ago.

So I guess you can say that my family members are welfare bums.

Edited July 8, 2018 by Rob and Cheryl

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

SS is not welfare, nor is VA.  But keep reaching. .

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, Satisfied said:

Not surprising to some here.  And to others, they see it as no big deal (as in we owe it to them).  But it’s still a burden.  51% on welfare.

 

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

 

  This was posted 2 weeks ago. Here is the information on the source. I am  skeptical of most things, but exceptionally so when an anti immigrant site comes up with an anti immigrant study.

 

  Home » Center for Immigration Studies (CIS)

 

Center for Immigration Studies (CIS)

 

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Bias: Extreme Right, Hate Group

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[Steeleballz 7,550]

55 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

From the article:

 

"The center's report is based on 2012 data from the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation. It includes immigrants who have become naturalized citizens, legal permanent residents, those on short-term visas and undocumented immigrants."

 

The article didn't break down the data but I'm willing to bet the illegal aliens are the ones out of that group that get the most welfare. I know when my wife and step son came here we had to agree to not accept any welfare and I could be wrong but I would assume the same is true for any other form of legal immigration. 

 

  The CIS is anti immigrant, both legal and illegal.  That is their mandate. They have been caught putting out questionable data in the past. I would have reservations about any data they put out on immigration.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Didn’t have time to read their entire site, obviously, but a quick breeze on a few blogs and publications, and they don’t seem very anti-immigrant (legal) to me.  And I thought USA Today was a pretty reliable news source?  Why would they publish info from a source if it was truly that questionable?

[Rob and Cheryl 56]

8 hours ago, Satisfied said:

SS is not welfare, nor is VA.  But keep reaching. .

Not reaching, trying to understand. 

 

 

I got my answer fir the study thanks:

• In 2012, 51 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) reported that they used at least one welfare program during the year, compared to 30 percent of native households. Welfare in this study includes Medicaid and cash, food, and housing programs.

 

 

[Chris Duffy 1,257]

That probably doesn't even come close to the ones who have a fake identity, have fake addresses (so the bills from the hospital never show up after they have made the anchor babies) and get all the SNAP, WIC, and all the other goodies. Down in The Valley area of Texas, they don't even ask any questions, just sign them up, and the money starts rolling in, and meanwhile, they are making tax free income at some bar or construction site, or even set up a taco stand.

Source? Me, lived down there and have seen it in person. Rio Grande Valley has very few legal immigrants. An occasional Korean and some misplaced Eastern Europeans.