Anyone else thinks the civics questions are really easy?

[Boiler 46,356]

11 minutes ago, shomer said:

 

OK.  The question is "Why did the colonists fight the British?"  The accepted answers are "because of high taxes (taxation without representation); because the British army stayed in their houses; and because they didn't have self-government."  This is not the "Hollywood version" - these reasons are mentioned in the Declaration of Independence in the laundry list of ####### King George did.  http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

 

On Finland, the question is who did the US fight in WWII.  The US did not fight Finland.  The USSR fought Finland, then Finland switched sides.  Nothing to do with the US.

 

On the Oath of Allegiance: all the given answers appear in the long form of the oath, which is conveniently reproduced in full right next to the question in the official booklet.

 

None of these answers are wrong.  Anything else?

AWI was effectively a civil war with Britain and France backing different factions, well very very simplistically, 

 

I just mentioned Finland, did they not bomb Romania? Burma. Finland was an axis power.

 

No they do not, the oath says what the oath says. Give Up Loyalty To Other Countries, where does is say this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CarlHamilton 252]

10 minutes ago, Boiler said:

AWI was effectively a civil war with Britain and France backing different factions, well very very simplistically, 

 

I just mentioned Finland, did they not bomb Romania? Burma. Finland was an axis power.

 

No they do not, the oath says what the oath says. Give Up Loyalty To Other Countries, where does is say this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty" = give up loyalty to other countries.  If you really don't understand that, I can't help you.  BTW, I know you're trying to sound smart, but it's not working.  

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1 hour ago, Boiler said:

 

 

I just mentioned Finland, did they not bomb Romania? Burma. Finland was an axis power.

 

 

 

No, they were not. They didn't sign the tripartite pact. Finland was a co-belligerent state.  The US didn't declare war on them. 

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[Chloraflora 14]

On 7/8/2018 at 12:13 PM, shomer said:

"renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty" = give up loyalty to other countries.  If you really don't understand that, I can't help you.  BTW, I know you're trying to sound smart, but it's not working.  

Not really. The US allows dual citizenship, so you're not really giving up anything, unless you were part of some nobility in the country you came from.

[CarlHamilton 252]

8 minutes ago, Chloraflora said:

Not really. The US allows dual citizenship, so you're not really giving up anything, unless you were part of some nobility in the country you came from.

We're not discussing dual citizenship.  Boiler argued that the USCIS answer about the Oath of Allegiance was wrong.  It isn't.

 

The Oath says: "renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty..." (emphasis addded).

 

The answer says: "give up loyalty to other countries."

 

The answer is an accurate paraphrase of the Oath.  Renounce and abjure is a slightly pompous way to say give up.  Allegiance and fidelity are both synonyms of loyalty.  A foreign state is another country.

 

So the answer is not wrong.  The Oath of Allegiance requires you to give up loyalty to other countries.  As a practical matter, this doesn't mean you're giving up your other citizenship (unless your home country prohibits dual citizenship, which is an entirely different question).  But that doesn't change that the Oath says what it says.  If you're not comfortable with the way the it is phrased, you don't have to take it. 

 

 

[Boiler 46,356]

31 minutes ago, Chloraflora said:

Not really. The US allows dual citizenship, so you're not really giving up anything, unless you were part of some nobility in the country you came from.

I am sure many of us have never said this so have nothing to give up.