B2 visa for parents denied, worth trying again?

[Going through 5,671]

9 hours ago, O&R said:

I mention it because yeah, I think it should matter that he is a policeman, they can get fired for covering up for illegals, so no chances of staying in his house as an illegal. So apparently if she wanted to sneak in the country illegally shed probably say she's going to the vacation in Florida or go to Mexico and pay coyotes rather then ask if she can come and stay in police officer's house.

Thing is...if employment type was taken into consideration for visas, would result in discrimination against those with "lesser" types of employment (for lack of a better term).  Switch it around:  If your husband wasn't a police officer---and someone else who's relative was got an easier time with a CO just based on where the USC worked----then that would be unfair to your mother as an applicant.

 

This way, everyone must meet the same criteria instead of leaving any room for favoritism.  

 

My husband works for the FBI.  His brother works for DHS.  I certainly didn't expect any sort of easier time when going through my AOS, etc...would have been nice, of course, but not how it works.

Edited July 6, 2018 by Going through

[O&R 5]

3 minutes ago, Going through said:

Thing is...if employment type was taken into consideration for visas, would result in discrimination against those with "lesser" types of employment (for lack of a better term).  Switch it around:  If your husband wasn't a police officer---and someone else who's relative was got an easier time with a CO just based on where the USC worked----then that would be unfair to your mother as an applicant.

 

This way, everyone must meet the same criteria instead of leaving any room for favoritism.  

 

Ideally yes. But realisticly they profile everyone in everything. The question is what was co 's reason to deny my mother saying she is not able to prove the ties to her home country (214b) if she was not even willing to look at the proofs my mom was offering her to look at. Is this fair? I don't think so.

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11 minutes ago, O&R said:

Ideally yes. But realisticly they profile everyone in everything. The question is what was co 's reason to deny my mother saying she is not able to prove the ties to her home country (214b) if she was not even willing to look at the proofs my mom was offering her to look at. Is this fair? I don't think so.

COs are not obligated to look at any evidence anyone brings, as mentioned earlier in this thread.  Decisions are made based on how the DS160 is filled out, and how the interview questions are answered.

 

It's frustrating for you, of course.  Many people have been in your boat before.  All your mom can do is try again at a later date, once personal circumstances change, and hope for the best.  Fortunately there's no limit as to how many times she can apply.  Perhaps a shorter visit at first may make a difference, too.

[cyclone27 710]

I thought my MIL would never get a tourist visa and now she is here with us for a month. (Weak ties imho)

 

i thought I understood the process but you never know how the CO will decide. 

 

 

[Boiler 45,931]

I forget the name, the poster whose MIL visited and refused to go home.

[WeGuyGal 1,052]

10 hours ago, WeGuyGal said:

Another example of India nationals entering the US on tourist visas and not returning as intended. 

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/677606-marriage-certificate-for-i-130-filing-for-parents-through-aos/

 

Just raises the bar for future b2 applicants. 

Oops.. I think I posted in the wrong thread (there's one about an Indian citizen who was denied where I meant to post. 

[Jojo92122 1,924]

14 hours ago, O&R said:

Ok, so my mom went to the embassy yesterday to get her tourist visa to be able to come and visit me and she got a standard denial, 214b.

I am a GCH married to a USC.

She is 45 years old woman, a doctor, employed ful time, has been working as a doctor for 20 years now. Her and my dad own 2 houses, a land and 2 cars. My mom has my grandma to take care of at home (my grandma's health is not the best). She also was leaving my sister who is 16 and my dad in her home country. She wanted to come and visit for 4 weeks and that's what we put on dS160.

So at the interview, she was asked:

why is she going to states?

how long has her daughter been there (2 years)

Does she have any other kids?

Who is paying for the trip? (We stated on ds160 that I was paying for her)

 

 

After that she received a denial. She had all the documents ready to show and she was offering but she was not allowed to. 

Plus at the end when she asked for an advice what she can improve she was told: "nothing, maybe once your daughter is a citizen you can apply"

 

My question is is it worth it to try to apply second time now and maybe another officer would be kind enough to look at the proofs?

 

Can my husband, a US citizen, herson-in-law attend interview with her? He is a police officer as well.

 

I know this time we would say that she pays for herself, that's probably the only think she could change, maybe asking to come for 2 weeks instead of 4? 

 

I don't know.. I need your advice..

The CO is not required to look at the documents that your mom brought to the interview.  They are not "proofs" of anything.  They are just paper that can not be verified in a 5 minute interview.

 

Your husband has nothing to do with your mom's visitor visa application.  He will not be allowed in with her.

[Jojo92122 1,924]

13 hours ago, O&R said:

Well, I going back to Ukraine to see them in August, but I just can't get over the fact that they don't even care to look at her application. And none of us never had any problem with any law, we pay our taxes and stuff, and they just treated my mom like she is some kind of criminal, or me, like I'm in prison and not allowed visitors until I'm a citizen.

They did look over her application, the DS-160.  The CO is not required to look at the documents that she brought with her.

 

Your mom's visa application is not about you.  There is no "we" in this.  This application is only about your mom, a foreigner seeking to enter the US.  

[Jojo92122 1,924]

13 hours ago, O&R said:

Does anybody know who I can contact here in US to take it to another level? Because this is ridiculous to treat people like that...

There is no one you can contact.  The CO has final say.  

[Jojo92122 1,924]

10 hours ago, O&R said:

 

 

Too bad there's people that stay illegally and then all the rest have to be treated as potential criminals. 

 

40% of the people who are here illegally came on non-immigrant visas.  Often, it's a visitor visa.  Take a look on VJ and people asking about AOS from a visitor visa.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

Just now, Jojo92122 said:

40% of the people who are here illegally came on non-immigrant visas.  Often, it's a visitor visa.  Take a look on VJ and people asking about AOS from a visitor visa.

There was a report last year that estimated I think about 750k visa overstays per year now vs 500k illegal border crossings.

i was reading a post from a guy on another forum whose mom came in on a B and overstayed illegally for TEN YEARS (!!!) until he got his green card sorted out then n400 and could finally sponsor her and obviously as IR that overstay was just forgiven. I mean, I think it’s highly unlikely a doctor would do this but it’s jaw-dropping what happens sometimes. 

 

also OP, fairly or unfairly the country you come from matters. Some countries just have a higher tendency than others to send overstays and it does affect others from there. Ukraine is one of the ones that has a fairly high refusal rate because of this.

[Jojo92122 1,924]

OP is treating her mom's visa denial as a personal offense against her.  She pays taxes and has a police officer husband, and they should be treated better than other people because they are not criminals like other people who come here illegally.  She is entitled to have her mom here.  

This is the crux of her frustration.  Instead of trying to understand the visitor visa process, she is taking this all personally.  

[Jojo92122 1,924]

3 hours ago, O&R said:

Ideally yes. But realisticly they profile everyone in everything. The question is what was co 's reason to deny my mother saying she is not able to prove the ties to her home country (214b) if she was not even willing to look at the proofs my mom was offering her to look at. Is this fair? I don't think so.

Yes, it's fair.  A foreigner is not entitled to a visitor visa.

 

Once again, your mother did not bring "proofs" with her to the interview.  She brought papers that can not be verified in a 5 minute interview.  Furthermore, the CO is interviewing your mother.  The CO is not interviewing papers.

 

You are treating this as if your mother is entitled to a visitor visa.  You are taking personal offense because you pay your taxes and your husband is a police officer.  You and your husband are irrelevant to your mother's application.  

[always_the_sun 1]

3 hours ago, O&R said:

Ideally yes. But realisticly they profile everyone in everything. The question is what was co 's reason to deny my mother saying she is not able to prove the ties to her home country (214b) if she was not even willing to look at the proofs my mom was offering her to look at. Is this fair? I don't think so.

Same here. My parents were denied 2 weeks ago in Kiev (214b). The consular did not even want to look at their documents. How else can you prove that you have strong ties with your country if the consular doesn't want to look at your documents? This system is so messed up. 

[Going through 5,671]

9 minutes ago, always_the_sun said:

Same here. My parents were denied 2 weeks ago in Kiev (214b). The consular did not even want to look at their documents. How else can you prove that you have strong ties with your country if the consular doesn't want to look at your documents? This system is so messed up. 

One of the reasons many COs do not look at documents people bring, is because there is no way for them to verify on-the-spot that those documents are not fraudulent as people have presented fake documents before.