Regarding the Aussiewench Topic

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

I can't get in either, but that's because of my stupid Java.

I will attempt to restate RJ's question:

She wanted to know why regular board members can come here and disrespect the people here and the board - flaming and harrassing - while Lorelle (a long standing and well respected member) tells another member about her board and is stopped.

Essentially - we feel Lorelle deserved better than she got, regardless of the situation.

And further, why was her account disguised to appear as if she had privileges here that she did not? Specifically, no PM access, and a NEW and separate group created for her and her alone that reads 'Organizer' (which she once was) but which gives no Organizing power to (which she had previously had)?

That looks very much to me like CYA on the VJ side, and pulling the wool over the eyes of everyone else here. I don't like being lied at.

The reason is because the way the IPB Admin Control Panel works. There is a box that disables certain features and the way it is programmed it leaves no indications on the board. I have always replied to anyone who asked what was up. I wish people would just PM me in the future. I am on open book... just ask and do not assume I am trying to do anything bad. I really do care.

[Welshcookie 17]

you .... you... you.... mean Steve is really Ewok??????? *feigned shock*

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

I think some people have made up their minds already and no matter what is said or done it isn't going to change their minds...

Yep. That goes for people on both sides.

But seriously - if it had been proven that Lorelle truly spammed VJ (as in hundreds of PMs or posts), then I would have to seriously question her about that. If you think that I'm not capable of being that level headed, then I guess you don't know me that well.

I don't think it was all about spamming... I think there was a big miscommunication on both sides...

i never said you weren't level-headed...

I am trying not to take sides here...

You're right, it wasn't all about spamming. Frankly I think the other part it was about is a load of waffle. Ewok was asked by email to point out which parts were lifted from VJ and never responded back. Which means either he didn't get the email, he didn't have the proof of what he was accusing her of, or he'd just rather ban her and be done with it.

So then it was agreed to reinstate Aussiewench's account and see if the two sides could come to some agreement on chat. In the meantime, Steve miraculously shows up and knows about this whole thing. Steve and Ewok can't happen to both make it to the chat. If Ewok could not be there for the chat he proposed, why not postpone it until he could be there too (and once he had reinstated Aussie's account)?

I'm starting to feel a sense of the Clark Kent/Superman disease going on here. You never see the two of them together at the same time. Kind of insults the intelligence just a bit.

I never got an email back. If they sent it to an email that was not one of ours it is blackholed and deleted automatically (spam prevention). We do not have a catch all email addy.

[steve 27]

I think some people have made up their minds already and no matter what is said or done it isn't going to change their minds...

Yep. That goes for people on both sides.

But seriously - if it had been proven that Lorelle truly spammed VJ (as in hundreds of PMs or posts), then I would have to seriously question her about that. If you think that I'm not capable of being that level headed, then I guess you don't know me that well.

I don't think it was all about spamming... I think there was a big miscommunication on both sides...

i never said you weren't level-headed...

I am trying not to take sides here...

You're right, it wasn't all about spamming. Frankly I think the other part it was about is a load of waffle. Ewok was asked by email to point out which parts were lifted from VJ and never responded back. Which means either he didn't get the email, he didn't have the proof of what he was accusing her of, or he'd just rather ban her and be done with it.

So then it was agreed to reinstate Aussiewench's account and see if the two sides could come to some agreement on chat. In the meantime, Steve miraculously shows up and knows about this whole thing. Steve and Ewok can't happen to both make it to the chat. If Ewok could not be there for the chat he proposed, why not postpone it until he could be there too (and once he had reinstated Aussie's account)?

I'm starting to feel a sense of the Clark Kent/Superman disease going on here. You never see the two of them together at the same time. Kind of insults the intelligence just a bit.

You mean at the same time like now? Lets all go to the chatroom.

[TracyTN 237]

I think some people have made up their minds already and no matter what is said or done it isn't going to change their minds...

Yep. That goes for people on both sides.

But seriously - if it had been proven that Lorelle truly spammed VJ (as in hundreds of PMs or posts), then I would have to seriously question her about that. If you think that I'm not capable of being that level headed, then I guess you don't know me that well.

I don't think it was all about spamming... I think there was a big miscommunication on both sides...

i never said you weren't level-headed...

I am trying not to take sides here...

You're right, it wasn't all about spamming. Frankly I think the other part it was about is a load of waffle. Ewok was asked by email to point out which parts were lifted from VJ and never responded back. Which means either he didn't get the email, he didn't have the proof of what he was accusing her of, or he'd just rather ban her and be done with it.

So then it was agreed to reinstate Aussiewench's account and see if the two sides could come to some agreement on chat. In the meantime, Steve miraculously shows up and knows about this whole thing. Steve and Ewok can't happen to both make it to the chat. If Ewok could not be there for the chat he proposed, why not postpone it until he could be there too (and once he had reinstated Aussie's account)?

I'm starting to feel a sense of the Clark Kent/Superman disease going on here. You never see the two of them together at the same time. Kind of insults the intelligence just a bit.

I never got an email back. If they sent it to an email that was not one of ours it is blackholed and deleted automatically (spam prevention). We do not have a catch all email addy.

That was one of the options I mentioned - that you did not get the email.

I know you were on your way home. Perhaps you could IM or call your friend steve to see if we could rustle up another chat? WITH Aussiewench - at a time that is convenient to all 3 of you?

Oh good, you're here steve. May be a good idea to see what Lorelle's schedule is today for another chat.

Edited May 10, 2007 by TracyTN

[Jenn! 918]

Ooooh, get ready for some David Blaine action!

[~kiyah~ 14]

Ooooh, get ready for some David Blaine action!

LOL!

[babybunny 2]

although what my azz has to do with this is anyone's guess

[Ladylethal 12]

I hope this is all a huge misunderstanding, 'cus I've always seen Aussie and Cap being helpful and honest, and when Aussie first said she'd stop posting I always believed it was due to some members and some drama, which has always been the case of VJ (and all boards I go to actually) and will always be present. I saw what Aussie had to say and believed her, but now I read what Cap says and it also makes sense, although I think the decision to ban her without actually getting the facts first was precipitated.

[Marilyn. 340]

I hope this is all a huge misunderstanding, 'cus I've always seen Aussie and Cap being helpful and honest, and when Aussie first said she'd stop posting I always believed it was due to some members and some drama, which has always been the case of VJ (and all boards I go to actually) and will always be present. I saw what Aussie had to say and believed her, but now I read what Cap says and it also makes sense, although I think the decision to ban her without actually getting the facts first was precipitated.

he has said it was just a temporary ban and he has unbanned her already...

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

i can't connect to chat from work.

ok, i hope you guys can clear things up.

Daniel

:energetic:

[Ladylethal 12]

I hope this is all a huge misunderstanding, 'cus I've always seen Aussie and Cap being helpful and honest, and when Aussie first said she'd stop posting I always believed it was due to some members and some drama, which has always been the case of VJ (and all boards I go to actually) and will always be present. I saw what Aussie had to say and believed her, but now I read what Cap says and it also makes sense, although I think the decision to ban her without actually getting the facts first was precipitated.

he has said it was just a temporary ban and he has unbanned her already...

Ah ok, well, I hope all is sorted out.

I think having more immigration forums is a good thing, actually, 'cus it's really hard to find a helpful place like VJ and FBI, and having more increases the chances of stumbling upon it.

[Marilyn. 340]

I hope this is all a huge misunderstanding, 'cus I've always seen Aussie and Cap being helpful and honest, and when Aussie first said she'd stop posting I always believed it was due to some members and some drama, which has always been the case of VJ (and all boards I go to actually) and will always be present. I saw what Aussie had to say and believed her, but now I read what Cap says and it also makes sense, although I think the decision to ban her without actually getting the facts first was precipitated.

he has said it was just a temporary ban and he has unbanned her already...

Ah ok, well, I hope all is sorted out.

I think having more immigration forums is a good thing, actually, 'cus it's really hard to find a helpful place like VJ and FBI, and having more increases the chances of stumbling upon it.

Ewok said he wasn't againstt the other site, there were just a few things that bothered him concerning copying info etc...

[Jasman0717 9]

I think we should all actually keep this thread on track. Although it is understood that many here are appreciative of Steve's good work with starting this site, it should be remembered that this isn't the actual point of this thread.

This thread was started to discuss Aussie, not as a "Congratulate Steve" thread.

I guess I am guilty of that but I rarely see Steve post and never really did get a chance to thank him. Besides, how many threads ever stay on subject?

There has been a lot of side choosing and name calling with this issue so hope it will now be done with. I am not much of one to get involve in politics and the like and can never understand all the finger pointing and name calling, flame wars serve no purpose!

[Jenn! 918]

I think we should all actually keep this thread on track. Although it is understood that many here are appreciative of Steve's good work with starting this site, it should be remembered that this isn't the actual point of this thread.

This thread was started to discuss Aussie, not as a "Congratulate Steve" thread.

I guess I am guilty of that but I rarely see Steve post and never really did get a chance to thank him. Besides, how many threads ever stay on subject?

There has been a lot of side choosing and name calling with this issue so hope it will now be done with. I am not much of one to get involve in politics and the like and can never understand all the finger pointing and name calling, flame wars serve no purpose!

How can it be done with? So that's it? Thanks, Lorelle, for basically getting me through my visa journey, you'll be missed, sayonara, such a shame, etc.?

We are of course all entitled to our opinions on the matter, but that kind of reaction really disappoints me. It's such a slap in the face to Lorelle.