Forthcoming Asylum Rules Crackdown

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

1 minute ago, Rob and Cheryl said:

Blinded by hatred is strong language.  You don't know me and I don't know you so I will let that go to the side on account of the passionate nature of the topic. Terms like extortion and abduction are charged, just as the label illegal for refugees is. If someone took my child under any circumstances, I would risk the use of that language to make a point.

 

I don't equate violent criminals accused, convicted, on appeal or released with these families, that's what they are at the end of the day, families and I don't think you do either.

the adult family members of these children are knowingly subjecting their children to these penalties and separation, I personally believe this is bordering on criminal negligence, but that is a different discussion.

 

I am fine with that option, keeping the family unit as intact and rejecting them collectively pending the application of a legal entry into the United States.

[Unidentified 2,930]

8 minutes ago, Rob and Cheryl said:

Blinded by hatred is strong language.  You don't know me and I don't know you so I will let that go to the side on account of the passionate nature of the topic. Terms like extortion and abduction are charged, just as the label illegal for refugees is. If someone took my child under any circumstances, I would risk the use of that language to make a point.

 

I don't equate violent criminals accused, convicted, on appeal or released with these families, that's what they are at the end of the day, families and I don't think you do either.

Illegal immigrant and refugee are not quite the same though. 

[Boiler 45,467]

3 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Illegal immigrant and refugee are not quite the same though. 

Do you mean alledged refugess?

[Unidentified 2,930]

2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Do you mean alledged refugess?

No.

[Boiler 45,467]

Just now, Unidentified said:

No.

I think we can agree that those who have been granted Refugee status are refugees.

[Unidentified 2,930]

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

I think we can agree that those who have been granted Refugee status are refugees.

Glad we can agree on that. Someone, forget who, kept insisting that they were the same thing as an illegal alien. 

[Boiler 45,467]

We have been talking about illegals, not those granted refugee status.

[Unidentified 2,930]

3 minutes ago, Boiler said:

We have been talking about illegals, not those granted refugee status.

And your point is? Already explained to you why it was brought up and discussed. Maybe go back and re-read a few pages?

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[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

I think the big difference between a refugee who came here Legally and a Illegal who wants to claim asylum only after being caught is quite a big difference. 

 

A refugee or a asylum seeker actually goes through the legal process in a 3rd country than where they live. They go through the process to make sure their claims are adjudicated as being true and to make sure that they are not a security threat to the USA. Once this is done and they are then given status, and allowed into the USA as Legal Immigrants. This process can take weeks or months while the person or family is in a 3rd country waiting for the process to finish. I have no problem with this at all. 

 

A Illegal tries to subvert this entire process and giving a big middle finger to everyone who does it right. They cross over Illegally and only claim asylum after being caught or presenting themselves to CBP after crossing Illegally. They should be charged with a crime and convicted then sent home. I do have a problem with people doing this.

[Unidentified 2,930]

2 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I think the big difference between a refugee who came here Legally and a Illegal who wants to claim asylum only after being caught is quite a big difference. 

 

A refugee or a asylum seeker actually goes through the legal process in a 3rd country than where they live. They go through the process to make sure their claims are adjudicated as being true and to make sure that they are not a security threat to the USA. Once this is done and they are then given status, and allowed into the USA as Legal Immigrants. This process can take weeks or months while the person or family is in a 3rd country waiting for the process to finish. I have no problem with this at all. 

 

A Illegal tries to subvert this entire process and giving a big middle finger to everyone who does it right. They cross over Illegally and only claim asylum after being caught or presenting themselves to CBP after crossing Illegally. They should be charged with a crime and convicted then sent home. I do have a problem with people doing this.

No, that's not really how it works. To be able to seek asylum in the US you have to actually enter the US. Refugees I believe go through the UN but is unsure of this.  

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

15 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

No, that's not really how it works. To be able to seek asylum in the US you have to actually enter the US. Refugees I believe go through the UN but is unsure of this.  

No, asylum seeks must either go through the consulate in their home country, a third country consulate, or at a POE. 

[Unidentified 2,930]

2 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

No, asylum seeks must either go through the consulate in their home country, a third country consulate, or at a POE. 

The US does not process asylum unless you're on US soil. Embassy/consulate does not count as US soil. 

[Boiler 45,467]

16 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

The US does not process asylum unless you're on US soil. Embassy/consulate does not count as US soil. 

And PoE?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

And PoE?

But you can seek refugee status at an embassy. All this is absurd. everyone knows the vast vast majority of people trying to come across the border are trying to enter the country illegally for economic purposes and this problem has been huge for many many decades.

 

Of course Trump has the economy so back on track there is now a labor shortage, so we may have to start a guest worker program to keep up with Trumps economy. 

 

The MDL is trying to make the narrative about separating families, Refugees, Asylum seekers, they have no answer for Trumps winning , so lets throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.

 

Just more two scoops of Ice Cream. Nothing more nothing less. 

 

 

[Unidentified 2,930]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

But you can seek refugee status at an embassy. All this is absurd. everyone knows the vast vast majority of people trying to come across the border are trying to enter the country illegally for economic purposes and this problem has been huge for many many decades.

 

Of course Trump has the economy so back on track there is now a labor shortage, so we may have to start a guest worker program to keep up with Trumps economy. 

 

The MDL is trying to make the narrative about separating families, Refugees, Asylum seekers, they have no answer for Trumps winning , so lets throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.

 

Just more two scoops of Ice Cream. Nothing more nothing less. 

 

 

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