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20 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

It is confusing and when I was in Canada I was lucky that I had my now husband with me who knew were the border was because if I had taken a sea-do or something and gone out by myself I would more than likely have accidentally crossed the border. And I wasn't exactly going to take my passport with me on a boat.

 

Yes, it was her responsibility to have known where the border was. But being held for 2 weeks seems a bit overkill for something I am sure CBP could easily have identified as not intentional. 

As to the 2 weeks, the article I found summed it up pretty clearly to bureaucratic processes.  First, she had no identification at all so they need to verify her identity, second, she was not a Canadian citizen/resident and as we know with those crossing the US Mexico land border from a third country, they are handled differently, so the US bureaucracy had to deal with the Canadian bureaucracy to make sure they would accept her back and it was my understanding that took at least a week, then everything had to be handled between various US agencies CBP/ICE etc., to get her transferred back to Canada.  I think we all know from our various processes that these agencies do not function quickly.

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On 6/30/2018 at 9:44 AM, bcking said:

True. Unfortunately people will never be 100% safe, but certainly MS13's reach in the US is less than it is on Mexico.

 

I have no experience or knowledge of MS-13 in Mexico.  But I can assure you there is nowhere you would be safe from them in America.  They are all over, and have the assets to go where needed.

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2 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Most runners, I would imagine.  My wife does it daily.  There is no need to provide ID while out in public.

Every time I run I always carry my ID.  What happens if an emergency occurs and no one can identify the runner?  It could delay necessary lifesaving treatment.  Regardless, it is a personal choice.

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2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

As to the 2 weeks, the article I found summed it up pretty clearly to bureaucratic processes.  First, she had no identification at all so they need to verify her identity, second, she was not a Canadian citizen/resident and as we know with those crossing the US Mexico land border from a third country, they are handled differently, so the US bureaucracy had to deal with the Canadian bureaucracy to make sure they would accept her back and it was my understanding that took at least a week, then everything had to be handled between various US agencies CBP/ICE etc., to get her transferred back to Canada.  I think we all know from our various processes that these agencies do not function quickly.

Thank you, I forgot to even consider that they might not even do that. Must be a lot easier when Canadians accidentally cross. 

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5 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Most runners, I would imagine.  My wife does it daily.  There is no need to provide ID while out in public.

would she fail to carry an ID running in a foreign country?

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1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

Every time I run I always carry my ID.  What happens if an emergency occurs and no one can identify the runner?  It could delay necessary lifesaving treatment.  Regardless, it is a personal choice.

Most likely they have a cell phone with them. Lots of phones now come with the function to store an ICE (In Case of Emergency) contact on your phone. Both Iphone and Android even lets you fill in allergies etc.

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46 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

A lot of the Michigan border with Canada is unmarked as it is in water.  There is a long history of border crossings illegally for illegal purposes especially during prohibition.  I also know a lot of folks that take boats out, and they are extremely aware of the maritime borders.  If a US boat swings into Canadian waters on Lake Huron and does some fishing, I am certain the Canadian Coast Gaurd will have an issue.  Relative to the French girl, it was her responsibility to know where she was at as others have said.  I travel to a lot of countries and one of my favorite countries is South Korea.  The one time I did visit the border area, I made sure I didn’t ever come close to falling across accidentally.

Completely different place and situation.  You’d know before you got across the border there because the guards would tense up, readying to attack you.

It’s much easier to stray across a border in CA, as much of it is unmarked and unguarded.

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5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Every time I run I always carry my ID.  What happens if an emergency occurs and no one can identify the runner?  It could delay necessary lifesaving treatment.  Regardless, it is a personal choice.

Good points.  And I do not run much, but if I did, I wouldn’t carry an ID.  I also don’t carry an ID to the gym.  I have a friend who got handcuffed in a hotel gym once, his ID was up in his room.  He still goes to the gym without an ID to this day.  Personal choice.  I love this country!

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5 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

would she fail to carry an ID running in a foreign country?

Her?  Quite possibly.    But I would not recommend that practice, personally.

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1 minute ago, Satisfied said:

Completely different place and situation.  You’d know before you got across the border there because the guards would tense up, readying to attack you.

It’s much easier to stray across a border in CA, as much of it is unmarked and unguarded.

I don’t disagree that is is very easy to cross the US Canadian border either purposefully, or accidentally.  Should CBP handle any of those differently?  Most of us know from our own immigration experiences, that the various agencies start with presumptions that the potential interviewee has to overcome.  That can be time consuming especially relative to illegal entry.

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Just now, Satisfied said:

Her?  Quite possibly.    But I would not recommend that practice, personally.

LOL .. Fair enough. I cannot imagine not carrying ID when outside my house, let alone outside the country

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22 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

LOL .. Fair enough. I cannot imagine not carrying ID when outside my house, let alone outside the country

That’s the thing though... we are “trained” to carry an ID, probably mostly because of driving.  But let’s say you live in the city and use public transport.  No ID needed.  Just cash or a “metro card” or similar.  

Even if asked by the police, an ID is not required.  If they have “reasonable suspicion”, you are required to give your name, and nothing more.

But like you, I am rarely without it, or at least it’s close enough to get to reasonably.  And yes, in a foreign country, I would never leave my room without it.

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1 hour ago, Satisfied said:

That’s the thing though... we are “trained” to carry an ID, probably mostly because of driving.  But let’s say you live in the city and use public transport.  No ID needed.  Just cash or a “metro card” or similar.  

Even if asked by the police, an ID is not required.  If they have “reasonable suspicion”, you are required to give your name, and nothing more.

But like you, I am rarely without it, or at least it’s close enough to get to reasonably.  And yes, in a foreign country, I would never leave my room without it.

I found it funny during my Wife’s oath ceremony they mentioned keeping the new US passport in a safe.  As a business professional living in a border region working in a international business, I always keep my passport with me for the occasional unplanned meetings in Canada to avoid a trip home to get it.  I know, I should get one of those enhanced DLs, but too cheap to do it.

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4 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

I found it funny during my Wife’s oath ceremony they mentioned keeping the new US passport in a safe.  As a business professional living in a border region working in a international business, I always keep my passport with me for the occasional unplanned meetings in Canada to avoid a trip home to get it.  I know, I should get one of those enhanced DLs, but too cheap to do it.

One of those passport cards you can keep in your wallet might help you out, if Canada is the only border you regularly cross.  I, too, use mine fairly regularly nowadays, but a few years back, it sat in my nightstand drawer for 3-4 years at a time.

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