HILLARY REFUSES TO CONDEMN THE LEFT BECOMING ‘UNCIVIL’ — CALLS FOR ‘STRENGTH’ TO RESIST TRUMP

[bcking 3,157]

On 6/30/2018 at 10:25 AM, Unidentified said:

@bcking I agree that the word "push back" doesn't mean violence. But sadly there's a whole bunch of unhinged people who do not understand that and will actually be violent. So we'll see what will happen. 

Sorry don't think I responded to this before.

 

I absolutely agree, which is why I think discourse should be more civil. Even these sorts of statements and encouragements can get blown out of proportion by a population (on both sides) that are impassioned.

 

HOWEVER - that doesn't mean her message was asking for violence. Was it inappropriate? That's questionable, but she certainly wasn't calling for violence.

 

There have been examples in recent years of public figures DIRECTLY calling/asking for violence. That recent Twitter post from the actor, or several of the quotes from Trump during his campaign. This isn't one of those. Still not civil, but not on the same level as directly condoning violence.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Satisfied said:

This is not against Trump per se, but an example of just how far some people are willing to go to suppress history in America.  “Little House on the Prairie” was a pretty good and somewhat accurate portrayal of life in the early days as the US was being settled.

 

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/liberals-declare-war-on-little-house-they-despise-how-it-portrays-christian

 

  Nobody is suppressing history. A library association group dropped Laura Ingall's name from a book award  because of her use of stereotypical derogatory references to native Americans. Pathetic attempt by the author of the article to deflect the issue and bash liberals. Sad if you can't see through that kind of rubbish. 

 

  

 

  

 

  

Edited July 1, 2018 by Steeleballz

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This isn’t because people like White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders (told to leave the Red Hen restaurant) or Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen (shouted out of having dinner at a restaurant and then harassed and jeered at her home) were demanding special service that would reflect their identity or politics. They were just asking for what was on the menu for everybody – no parallel with the recent Supreme Court decision regarding a baker who declined to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

Now we have U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, of California, not some fringe member of Congress but a former chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, who has applauded violence against her political opponents in the past. Now she praises the treatment of Sanders and Nielsen – which echoes the kind of treatment that blacks suffered during this country’s shameful era of racial discrimination that continued for decades even after slavery was abolished.

“If you see anybody from that (administration) in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd! … Tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere!“

In other words, “Anybody who doesn’t see the world the way I do shouldn’t be allowed to stay in the country.”

And she’s accusing Trump and his backers of hate?

 

http://www.eagletribune.com/opinion/standards-for-criticizing-the-president-have-changed/article_9bdb23d7-eeca-561e-99ab-e2f6d34647a2.html

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

This isn’t because people like White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders (told to leave the Red Hen restaurant) or Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen (shouted out of having dinner at a restaurant and then harassed and jeered at her home) were demanding special service that would reflect their identity or politics. They were just asking for what was on the menu for everybody – no parallel with the recent Supreme Court decision regarding a baker who declined to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

Now we have U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, of California, not some fringe member of Congress but a former chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, who has applauded violence against her political opponents in the past. Now she praises the treatment of Sanders and Nielsen – which echoes the kind of treatment that blacks suffered during this country’s shameful era of racial discrimination that continued for decades even after slavery was abolished.

“If you see anybody from that (administration) in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd! … Tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere!“

In other words, “Anybody who doesn’t see the world the way I do shouldn’t be allowed to stay in the country.”

And she’s accusing Trump and his backers of hate?

 

http://www.eagletribune.com/opinion/standards-for-criticizing-the-president-have-changed/article_9bdb23d7-eeca-561e-99ab-e2f6d34647a2.html

 

  Do the journalists in Eagle county not require the basic skill of being able to paraphrase accurately?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Nobody is suppressing history. A library association group dropped Laura Ingall's name from a book award  because of her use of stereotypical derogatory references to native Americans. Pathetic attempt by the author of the article to deflect the issue and bash liberals. Sad if you can't see through that kind of rubbish. 

 

  

 

  

 

  

Dear God she wrote the books in 1930s when that was the norm 

Yet Negro league and and association of colored people is cool 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Dear God she wrote the books in 1930s when that was the norm 

Yet Negro league and and association of colored people is cool 

 

 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

54 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Dear God she wrote the books in 1930s when that was the norm 

Yet Negro league and and association of colored people is cool 

 

 

 

   It wasn't the "norm" to make racist remarks about native Americans in the 1930's. I'm not sure what the negro league has to do with it? 

 

  At any rate, it's the library associations award. They can do what they want with that award. If you really want to have a Laura Ingall's award, go ahead and start your own association. Seems like everyone's a free speech libertarian until someone says or does something they don't agree with. 

 

  

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4 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Nobody is suppressing history. A library association group dropped Laura Ingall's name from a book award  because of her use of stereotypical derogatory references to native Americans. Pathetic attempt by the author of the article to deflect the issue and bash liberals. Sad if you can't see through that kind of rubbish. 

 

  

 

  

 

  

Sad if you agree with the treatment of Laura Ingalls.  Her name was just fine on the award from 1954 until 2017.  Why suddenly the need to drop it?  It’s not like she has been using any offensive terms for Indians in the past two decades in her books, is it?

If you can’t see it as a means of suppressing history, of which LIW wrote a LOT from a personal perspective, then that is your choice.  I see it differently.  But you’re right, it was rubbish to remove her name in the first place.  Classless, in fact.

Edited July 1, 2018 by Satisfied

[Unidentified 2,930]

I don't get the big deal, why not just take out the offensive parts out of the book? Ever heard of Pippi Longstocking? Author wrote about a girl who lives in a big house with a horse and a monkey. Her mother is in heave and her father works on a ship, comes across and island where the people make him king. When I grew up, the book said he was made a "negro king" (king over the indigenous people living on the island), they have now removed it and all books have been remade where it only says king. Everyone's happy. 

 

Just because they wrote stuff like that back then doesn't make the author offensive or racist, that's what people were thinking back then because it was the norm back then. Astrid Lindgren, who has since passed away, was the sweetest woman imaginable and she has in an interview before her death said she would never had called her dad a negro king and she would have written the books differently. But those were different days. 

 

Just like back then we thought slavery was the most normal thing and now we know it was the most stupidest thing in history. We evolve and we learn. But we need to stop bringing stuff up from the past and punish people for what happened back then, and focus on what is happening now and what we can do to improve things now. 

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23 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Sad if you agree with the treatment of Laura Ingalls.  Her name was just fine on the award from 1954 until 2017.  Why suddenly the need to drop it?  It’s not like she has been using any offensive terms for Indians in the past two decades in her books, is it?

If you can’t see it as a means of suppressing history, of which LIW wrote a LOT from a personal perspective, then that is your choice.  I see it differently.  But you’re right, it was rubbish to remove her name in the first place.  Classless, in fact.

 

   If you feel strongly about it, why not start your own award. The way you are talking here sounds like you want to force your morals on others. The people who sponsor this award obviously don't want the association due to the use of racist stereotypes. That is their right. Just because it was acceptable to some 100 years ago, doesn't mean it is now. 

 

   Contrary to the whiny assertions of the article, nothing in all of that changes actual history. Laura Ingalls still existed. So do her books. The history of the 19th century did not change. The name of a children's literary award changed. That is all. 

 

   Seriously, if the connotations don't bother you, and you think it's that important make a Laura Ingall's award. Start a gofundme page. I'm sure you'll get a lot of support. People seem to get worked up over things like this. I bet you could do it with minimum effort.

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44 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   If you feel strongly about it, why not start your own award. The way you are talking here sounds like you want to force your morals on others. The people who sponsor this award obviously don't want the association due to the use of racist stereotypes. That is their right. Just because it was acceptable to some 100 years ago, doesn't mean it is now. 

 

   Contrary to the whiny assertions of the article, nothing in all of that changes actual history. Laura Ingalls still existed. So do her books. The history of the 19th century did not change. The name of a children's literary award changed. That is all. 

 

   Seriously, if the connotations don't bother you, and you think it's that important make a Laura Ingall's award. Start a gofundme page. I'm sure you'll get a lot of support. People seem to get worked up over things like this. I bet you could do it with minimum effort.

Or... things could have just been left alone.  Why the sudden need to change it?  Just like with tearing down statues of the leaders of the civil war.  Is there really a need to do that?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

20 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Or... things could have just been left alone.  Why the sudden need to change it?  Just like with tearing down statues of the leaders of the civil war.  Is there really a need to do that?

 

  I think they explained their reasoning. Did you read the library associations website or just the article you linked? 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  I think they explained their reasoning. Did you read the library associations website or just the article you linked? 

Neither.  Read another article about it.

[Dashinka 24,492]

On 6/30/2018 at 3:37 AM, bcking said:

No one is saying it's Trump's fault. The President just sets the tone of discourse, and in the current climate the tone is pretty darn negative. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon then.

Actually, you first response alluded to this all being Trump’s fault.

[Dashinka 24,492]

On 6/30/2018 at 7:55 PM, bcking said:

If someone physically assaults you first, sure go ahead and defend yourself.

 

Walters wasn't calling for people to physically assaults anyone. She was calling for disruptive  protesting. Even if you take "push back" literally and think she is referring to actually pushing...it would be in retaliation (hence the word "back").

And Sarah Palin was not calling for someone to kill Giffords either, but the biased media sure did their best pin the Giffords attack on Palin.  That being said, I doubt the media will say anything bad against Waters if any of her disruptive protesters get out of hand.