This is the future of the Democratic Party?

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, missileman said:

https://nypost.com/2018/06/27/ocasio-cortez-wants-to-be-president-mom-says/

I don't think the voting public is ready for pure socialism....

You know I swing more Center Right than anything but in reality her winning the primary really inspired me yesterday to reach out to people and start getting noticed in my state for name recognition purposes for the 2020 House election. So I put the first steps down in order to build my foundation to run and win in 2020.
 

I may not like her policies at all but you can tell she legitimately believes in them, and that is one thing I give her props for and it does inspire me and gives me courage. Just last year she was making drinks at a bar and now she is set to be a Congresswoman..... Only in America.

Edited June 28, 2018 by Cyberfx1024

[Crazy Cat 42,198]

2 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I have heard some bad stories about it going badly for people because they don't curtail their eating habits. So they lose the weight and then end it up gaining it back again.

Yep.  It happens.....Luckily I was able to curtail the old eating habits....My surgery was in 2003.  I initially lost 100lbs over the first year, and now I have been at 180 +- 5 pounds for about 8-10 years.....

 

Pelosi wants to like a centrist just like my former co-worker wanted to appear slim......lol

 

[Crazy Cat 42,198]

6 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I may not like her policies at all but you can tell she legitimately believes in them, and that is one thing I give her props for

Yep.  That stuck out in my mind, too.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, missileman said:

Yep.  That stuck out in my mind, too.

My mind as well. Also the Morning Joe Interview the next day was a good one in my mind for her.

 

 

 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

43 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

It’s ok to want things to be better.  But to be ignorant or blind as to the experiences of other socialistic nations would be a poor choice.

 

  As soon as the word socialism comes up, there tends to be this reaction as if people want us to become the USSA. There is a broad spectrum of moderation between here and there and everyone seems to skip past that as soon as they hear the old buzz word.

 

  As unidentified said, look at the Nordic countries (or even Canada for that matter). Quality of life, health, happiness, education consistently rank higher in many countries. There is no reason that has to be. We can do a lot better on many things than we are. People are way too focused on left and right in this country when 95% of people want the same things. There is a nice big middle ground just sitting there where you can have a lot of the benefits of both.

 

  

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Just now, Steeleballz said:

 

  As soon as the word socialism comes up, there tends to be this reaction as if people want us to become the USSA. There is a broad spectrum of moderation between here and there and everyone seems to skip past that as soon as they hear the old buzz word.

  As unidentified said, look at the Nordic countries (or even Canada for that matter). Quality of life, health, happiness, education consistently rank higher in many countries. There is no reason that has to be. We can do a lot better on many things than we are. People are way too focused on left and right in this country when 95% of people want the same things. There is a nice big middle ground just sitting there where you can have a lot of the benefits of both.

  

I admit we can do better about things but taxing me at 60-70% of my income is not what I want at all.

[nykolos 711]

I'm sure most will agree the name "Democrat" has evolved into something far different than the days of JFK,  it has clearly now become the "Democrat Socialist party"  I was reading of a sharp increase in Independent voter registrations, where Democrat voters are jumping ship and changing to "Independent",   I assume it's because Democrat voters no longer align themselves with their party,  and who can blame them?  Open borders, Sanctuary states that shield criminals,  dissolving ICE,  using violence to suppress free speech on college campuses,  and most recently the advocation by Democrats, politicians and the left wing media to stalk and harass anyone in the Trump administration.  If you're a Democrat, you should be feeling damn embarrassed right now.

 

  

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

11 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  As soon as the word socialism comes up, there tends to be this reaction as if people want us to become the USSA. There is a broad spectrum of moderation between here and there and everyone seems to skip past that as soon as they hear the old buzz word.

 

  As unidentified said, look at the Nordic countries (or even Canada for that matter). Quality of life, health, happiness, education consistently rank higher in many countries. There is no reason that has to be. We can do a lot better on many things than we are. People are way too focused on left and right in this country when 95% of people want the same things. There is a nice big middle ground just sitting there where you can have a lot of the benefits of both.

 

  

As to the first paragraph, I agree.

As to the second, while the Nordic countries seem to be utopia as portrayed in the media, I know people from there who live here and want no part in going back.  Why? Because their money here buys them more for THEM, they are not working for their neighbors who may be doing little to nothing to better themselves.  I think it’s very attractive to lazy people to have a society like that, which has the potential to overcome just how great that sort of society could be if everyone worked hard for it.  I know I don’t want to have to pay more taxes than I do now to have so-called free (actually just pre-paid) healthcare and such.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

As to the first paragraph, I agree.

As to the second, while the Nordic countries seem to be utopia as portrayed in the media, I know people from there who live here and want no part in going back.  Why? Because their money here buys them more for THEM, they are not working for their neighbors who may be doing little to nothing to better themselves.  I think it’s very attractive to lazy people to have a society like that, which has the potential to overcome just how great that sort of society could be if everyone worked hard for it.  I know I don’t want to have to pay more taxes than I do now to have so-called free (actually just pre-paid) healthcare and such.

 

  There are also many people who have no interest in coming to the USA. As I have said before, I have spent long enough living in Canada to see the advantages and disadvantages in both systems. Often they will change depending on your perspective.

 

  If you are young and healthy, the USA is a great place to be. Get cancer in your 40's and lose your job, you might be more in favor of the Canadian system. As I've also said before, tax rate is not something you will notice or think about on a day to day basis going from one country to the other. You don't just take the US tax rate and add health care and social benefit costs on top of that. They have a different set of priorities. They don't have an astronomical cost of paying for a military presence around the world. My tax dollars in Canada didn't go to more things, they went to different things. 

 

  

[Steeleballz 7,550]

28 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I admit we can do better about things but taxing me at 60-70% of my income is not what I want at all.

 

  What country has a 60-70% income tax rate?

[Unidentified 2,930]

22 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I admit we can do better about things but taxing me at 60-70% of my income is not what I want at all.

The average taxes is 40%, the higher ones are 60% as far as I am aware in Sweden. But do you know what I got?

 

• I got free school, including university (only paid for books at university level) and free school lunches (buffee style with two choices. Not at university level but from pre-k to end of high school) I didn't have to bring my own food. Perfect for children whose parent's can't afford to give their children food. 
• Heavily subsidized health care - I could go to the ER and pay only about $20 dollars to see a Dr have a bunch of test done and then pay for whatever medication I needed. You only pay full price of medicine up to a certain amount after that, they get heavily subsidized too. 
• If you are a member of the Swedish church and pay taxes to the church you don't have to worry about where you're getting buried and there's no requirement to actually be religious and go to church.  I'm an atheist and I was a member of the Swedish church. You don't have to pay for the plot your buried in, you only pay for stuff around it such as obituary, cremation etc.

 

[Unidentified 2,930]

18 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

As to the first paragraph, I agree.

As to the second, while the Nordic countries seem to be utopia as portrayed in the media, I know people from there who live here and want no part in going back.  Why? Because their money here buys them more for THEM, they are not working for their neighbors who may be doing little to nothing to better themselves.  I think it’s very attractive to lazy people to have a society like that, which has the potential to overcome just how great that sort of society could be if everyone worked hard for it.  I know I don’t want to have to pay more taxes than I do now to have so-called free (actually just pre-paid) healthcare and such.

Absolutely, you get more for yourself here if you're that selfish. I quite enjoyed knowing that, by paying taxes,  I was not only making sure that I could have any healthcare I needed without becoming piss poor or I could be paying for someone who needed a new hip. 

 

Everyone is focusing on the "well fare" side of it. And yes, I do believe Sweden is giving away a lot way too easy especially to asylum seekers at the moment. But it's not like you can apply for assistance and you'll get it, there's rules and Sweden is trying to crack down on people who use the system. Sadly they hit the wrong people and take away assistance for people who really can't work.

 

What I love about the Nordic model is that it helps people with no social safety net, for example older people with no children who can take care of them. They can get good healthcare and hopefully if they worked enough, a decent pension and there are limits to how much the rent can be to live in a home fore the elderly. 

 

Here in America I am actually worried about how it's going to be for me and my husband as we get older as we're probably not going to have children and therefor no one to take care of us when we get hold. America does not provide that safety net.  

[Umka36 781]

Would such system work based on the US population size or immigration policy (the US is more family based than merit)? One thing is for sure, the US can't continue the path it's currently heading.

 

 

 

 

[Operator 1,927]

2 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

 

I may not like her policies at all but you can tell she legitimately believes in them, and that is one thing I give her props for and it does inspire me and gives me courage. Just last year she was making drinks at a bar and now she is set to be a Congresswoman..... Only in America.

...and she's hot.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

3 hours ago, Umka36 said:

Would such system work based on the US population size or immigration policy (the US is more family based than merit)? One thing is for sure, the US can't continue the path it's currently heading.

 

 

 

 

I couldn't agree with you more on this but the question is what direction do we take? Because it's obvious that we need to stop doing immigration based off of Family and more on a Merit system. 

2 hours ago, Operator said:

...and she's hot.

She is ok I will admit.