Liberals: Are far leftists hurting your agenda, and how will that impact the Democratic Party in November?

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11 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Oh joy, yet another tread bemoaning how the Democratic party has gone too far to the left according to Republicans. 

 

So how exactly would that show that the Dems are moving far Left? Wait, wait don't tell me. Hillary is now far left

 

 

I was more so getting at the fact that she's so out of touch she can't seem to get a message through to the middle class, which is why she failed in 2008 and failed in 2016. I don't actually think she's that far left, but I do think she's an out of touch elitist who simply doesn't understand the plight of most people, which is something that Trump capitalized on to great success in 2016. 

 

Her 2016 campaign was also God awful, she campaigned over and over again in places like Philadelphia which was going to vote Democrat no matter what, and left small town Pennsylvania (as an example) wide open for Trump to sweep in. 

 

I also never mentioned that the Democratic Party was moving too far to the left, I simply asked the question as to whether far leftists were hurting the parties chances in the mid terms. 

 

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In CO the Dems are putting Jared Polis the epitome of MDL up for Governor.

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1 hour ago, Adam&Allison said:

 

I was more so getting at the fact that she's so out of touch she can't seem to get a message through to the middle class, which is why she failed in 2008 and failed in 2016. I don't actually think she's that far left, but I do think she's an out of touch elitist who simply doesn't understand the plight of most people, which is something that Trump capitalized on to great success in 2016. 

 

Her 2016 campaign was also God awful, she campaigned over and over again in places like Philadelphia which was going to vote Democrat no matter what, and left small town Pennsylvania (as an example) wide open for Trump to sweep in. 

 

I also never mentioned that the Democratic Party was moving too far to the left, I simply asked the question as to whether far leftists were hurting the parties chances in the mid terms. 

 

I would point out as much as people say that Hillary is an elitist, I don't know a single politician that isn't elitist. Certainly Trump is elitist in his own 'special way' and has been for years. Hillary is.. well Hillary. I don't think that if we look back on her life history that we can't say she isn't smart. In all the things I've ever observed in her, one is that she often fell into the trappings of having people re-shape her (and lots of politicians do this when they run.. which makes them look fake). It is difficult for women in that sort of business, and I don't think the politic life ever came easy for her or quite natural. Certainly her campaign was not well run. I also don't think her failure in 08 was due to being out of touch. Let's face it, Obama had all the right stuff that Americans tend to go for in most of our Presidents through history, and while she did not win the election, she did win the popular vote. We can't say if people merely held their noses for those votes, or if they genuinely believed in her.

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27 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I would point out as much as people say that Hillary is an elitist, I don't know a single politician that isn't elitist. Certainly Trump is elitist in his own 'special way' and has been for years. Hillary is.. well Hillary. I don't think that if we look back on her life history that we can't say she isn't smart. In all the things I've ever observed in her, one is that she often fell into the trappings of having people re-shape her (and lots of politicians do this when they run.. which makes them look fake). It is difficult for women in that sort of business, and I don't think the politic life ever came easy for her or quite natural. Certainly her campaign was not well run. I also don't think her failure in 08 was due to being out of touch. Let's face it, Obama had all the right stuff that Americans tend to go for in most of our Presidents through history, and while she did not win the election, she did win the popular vote. We can't say if people merely held their noses for those votes, or if they genuinely believed in her.

 

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, Trump - in his own way - is just as out of touch. Really, how in touch can a multi billionaire be? I just think he knew the issues, knew the failings of the Obama administration and knew how to best exploit them on the campaign trail - which is where Hillary fell down I think. People who live in areas that had their health insurance leveled by Obamacare didn't want to hear from Hillary about how it 'just needs tweaking' - they wanted extreme measures, i.e repeal and replace - and I think that's something unique to Donald Trump, I can't think of many other politicians who could get away with being as contentious on the campaign trail as he was, most of the stuff that came out during the 2016 election cycle would've sank most other candidates, but they just seemed to bounce off Trump. Whether that was down to 'the forgotten men and women of America', or if it was just that Hillary was a bad candidate, we'll never know. 

 

You're right that Hillary fell into the trap of re-shaping, which isn't a bad thing necessarily - views change, if you look at Trump - his views have changed a lot since the mid 90's, early 2000's on some things. The thing that made people raise their eyebrows at Hillary was she would then go onto claim she's been consistent on every issue. And this is my issue with her. Every politician lies in some capacity, some more than others, but Hillary lies about stuff that didn't even matter. Like landing in Bosnia under sniper fire, there was no point at all to that lie - and that's just one example of the pointless lying. The other big one is when she claimed she'd always supported gay marriage. 

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   I don't think Republicans can relax too much either. As bad as Clinton came off and as great as Trump's supporters proclaim him to be, 2016 was a very close election. The stakes were high for the Republicans and they didn't really run away with it the way Obama did in 2008.

 

    Four years ago things were actually looking kind of grim for the Republicans in the long haul. Trump certainly caught lighting in a bottle but IDK if that was a solution as much as it was a reaction. There may not be as much of a gap there as some people think. Time will tell.

 

    

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18 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I don't think Republicans can relax too much either. As bad as Clinton came off and as great as Trump's supporters proclaim him to be, 2016 was a very close election. The stakes were high for the Republicans and they didn't really run away with it the way Obama did in 2008.

You are completely right on this and I couldn't agree with you more. But the vast majority of so called "Democrats" that have a fire under their ### are the Bernie supporters that still feel left out from 2016 and want to do something about it. They feel that the mainstream Dems like Crowley and Pelosi did them wrong by going for Hillary instead of the better pick of Bernie. So now they are making their voices heard......