Poll: Obama 'worst president' since World War II

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One clarification, persoanlly, I believe the 17th Amendment was not necessary.

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2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Actually, I did not question the US Constitution.  K&A inferred that in my opinion and I was simply asking for clarification.  Certainly the USC was changed appropriately 17 times (the first 10 amendments were added to gain adoption in the first place), and in my opinion with the possible exception of the 3rd Amendment the USC is timeless in its current form.  Would I like to see a few additions such as term limits, possibly, but I am fine with how it limits the Federal government.

Apologies. It certainly seemed that you felt the Constitution never ages. We can disagree about the details as long as we all agree it is a piece of paper written 250 years ago and, like any piece of paper, the content can become dated over time.

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3 hours ago, Unidentified said:

I don't like snopes.com either and that is why I backed their info up with the source they mentioned which is from the website of the people actually making and publishing the poll. I should probably have left the snopes.com link out but they did mention they whole thing about people spreading that poll now even though it is old. Thank you for confirming my suspicion that it wasn't that legit. 

 

And to partially answer your question as to who is doing these polls... I can't answer for all of them but I do know one website called yougov.com (which sucks by the way) that some media is referring to now and then. The basic idea is great, a bunch of people (both republicans, democrats and everything in between) sign on and get paid to give their opinion on political stuff that is going. But basically you redeem your money,  try to get up to the redemption limit again and ask for another one and it doesn't matter how many times you contact customer service you'll never see any more gift cards or money. 

I have been asking for at least 2 years now if anyone here has ever been called upon to do a survey.  Thus far, no one has come forward with a positive.  I recognize that I may not be receiving them because I move quite often, and have spent many years out of the country.  That’s understandable.

 

But of all the various people here, I am sure some have lived in the same place, or nearly so, for years. Thus far, no one has talked about it.  So it calls into question, at least to me, the validity of many of these “polls”.

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3 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

I forgot one thing in my last post..

How do you know that Trump is loosing money if you've never seen his tax returns? 

I don’t know, but common sense dictates that when a business man has to spend a lot of time not focusing on his own business, it will suffer.  And I don’t need to see his returns, they are none of my business.

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3 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Donating a salary of 400k while his family and friends directly benefit from the lower overall taxes and the leasing of his building for government purposes. 

 

 Trump has a long history of discriminatory business practices. His father may or may not have been in the kkk. Plus he literally lead an anti-obama movement with the premise that Obama is an "African Muslim". 

So let me reiterate that last point... 

Instead of using Obama's policy ( like any decent human being)... trump went straight to ethnicity and religion to brew up hatred. 

Have you ever donated your entirely salary for 4 years?  I know I have not.  Nor has any other president to my recollection.

 

His dad may or may not have been in the kkk... so you think less of Trump for something that may or may not have happened via someone in his family?  Do you wish to be judged by your dad or pappy?  Not sure that is fair, but maybe that’s just me.  I judge people based on THEM, not their relatives.

Not sure what you mean by him not using Obama’s policy like a decent human being?

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3 hours ago, bcking said:

"Now" is going to refer to 2014 moving forward. Remember that.

 

Or 1865.  Your choice.  The actual year is not enduring.

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2 hours ago, IDWAF said:

Have you ever donated your entirely salary for 4 years?  I know I have not.  Nor has any other president to my recollection.

 

His dad may or may not have been in the kkk... so you think less of Trump for something that may or may not have happened via someone in his family?  Do you wish to be judged by your dad or pappy?  Not sure that is fair, but maybe that’s just me.  I judge people based on THEM, not their relatives.

Not sure what you mean by him not using Obama’s policy like a decent human being?

Of course not.. I am not a billionaire LMBO.

And of course he is going to donate his salary , he's a billionaire that is making MILLIONS more off his own policies. It's no different from when he was in the private industry putting his questionable business ethics to use. 

 

Actually yes.. sometimes the Apple doesn't fall far from tree. Especially when the tree gave the Apple all of their money. Trump also does not have a stellar record when it comes to housing discrimination and he litterally admitted to only wanting European immigrants. So it's actually a mixture of his past actions, his family history and current policy.  

 

Decent human being = argue politics and rehetoric

Trump = "he's a Muslim that was born in Africa" 

 

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2 hours ago, IDWAF said:

I don’t know, but common sense dictates that when a business man has to spend a lot of time not focusing on his own business, it will suffer.  And I don’t need to see his returns, they are none of my business.

Not exactly , his businesses generate alot of income from licensing his name(think notoriety).  He also has competent people running the day to day operations. 

 

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Not exactly , his businesses generate alot of income from licensing his name(think notoriety).  He also has competent people running the day to day operations. 

 

 

 

 

Oh, so you know he is making more money now than before he became president?  How, since you don’t have access to his tax returns?

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3 hours ago, IDWAF said:

I have been asking for at least 2 years now if anyone here has ever been called upon to do a survey.  Thus far, no one has come forward with a positive.  I recognize that I may not be receiving them because I move quite often, and have spent many years out of the country.  That’s understandable.

 

But of all the various people here, I am sure some have lived in the same place, or nearly so, for years. Thus far, no one has talked about it.  So it calls into question, at least to me, the validity of many of these “polls”.

For any survey of 3,000 randomly selected US citizens, we each have a 1 in 100,000 chance of being selected (assuming around 300 million US citizens...to make it easy).

 

Let's say there are 100 surveys of that size per year. That is then a 100 in 100,000 chance, or 1 in 1,000 chance of being selected for one if them.

 

So you would have to ask 1,000 people to have around one that was surveyed in the past year (assuming the above estimates). 

 

I know my parents get calls on their land line. Though I don't know how long ago the last one was. I've never been called, but I don't have a landline. Some surveys use cell phones, but not all so then the chances are probably smaller since their are less surveys.

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20 minutes ago, bcking said:

For any survey of 3,000 randomly selected US citizens, we each have a 1 in 100,000 chance of being selected (assuming around 300 million US citizens...to make it easy).

 

Let's say there are 100 surveys of that size per year. That is then a 100 in 100,000 chance, or 1 in 1,000 chance of being selected for one if them.

 

So you would have to ask 1,000 people to have around one that was surveyed in the past year (assuming the above estimates). 

 

I know my parents get calls on their land line. Though I don't know how long ago the last one was. I've never been called, but I don't have a landline. Some surveys use cell phones, but not all so then the chances are probably smaller since their are less surveys.

Which leads me to believe that either some "polls" consist of made up data, or are done by people who seek monetary reward for them.  Either way, kind of skews their accuracy, I'd say.

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3 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Which leads me to believe that either some "polls" consist of made up data, or are done by people who seek monetary reward for them.  Either way, kind of skews their accuracy, I'd say.

How so? Those are pretty small odds I'd say.

 

That is also assuming completely random polling. Your chances may be even lower if they use any stratification system.

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2 hours ago, IDWAF said:

Oh, so you know he is making more money now than before he became president?  How, since you don’t have access to his tax returns?

I'm referring to his public business practices (which are public) you are referring to his personal gain/loss(which is private).

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1 hour ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

I'm referring to his public business practices (which are public) you are referring to his personal gain/loss(which is private).

So how much profit has he gained since becoming president?  Just a round dollar figure to the closest $10K will be sufficient for forum use.

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5 hours ago, IDWAF said:

So how much profit has he gained since becoming president?  Just a round dollar figure to the closest $10K will be sufficient for forum use.

Something that is impossible to nail down if he won't release his tax returns.

But what we do know.

- his family stands to save >800k ( two year salary) in his tax plan.

- secret service has paid >2.4 million to trump tower

-trumps mar-a-lago memberships have doubled in price.

 

He also has alot of his holdings in a trust controlled by his son that has had a major uptick in transactions by various shell corporations.