N-400 Fee Waiver (I-912) Denied?

[Plarka 0]

My husband submitted the fee waiver application with his N-400 application.  We are well below the 150% poverty level.  He just noticed there's a pending transaction on our credit card for the full amount of the application!  He sent the application about a week ago.  No mail from them yet.  Does this mean he was denied and they're just taking the money???

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20 minutes ago, Plarka said:

My husband submitted the fee waiver application with his N-400 application.  We are well below the 150% poverty level.  He just noticed there's a pending transaction on our credit card for the full amount of the application!  He sent the application about a week ago.  No mail from them yet.  Does this mean he was denied and they're just taking the money???

It means that the fee waiver was denied and they are charging that amount to process the Naturalization application.

[Plarka 0]

• Do they tend to do that???  We're well below the income limit!!

[Going through 5,671]

30 minutes ago, Plarka said:

• Do they tend to do that???  We're well below the income limit!!

If USCIS determines through documents you sent with the waiver that you are not eligible, they will process the payment and deny the waiver.

 

What did you send them as supporting evidence in terms of income?  What is the size of your household?

[Plarka 0]

I think my husband said they asked for last year's tax return, so he sent that.  Our household is 4 people, and income is $25,000.

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19 hours ago, Going through said:

If USCIS determines through documents you sent with the waiver that you are not eligible, they will process the payment and deny the waiver.

 

What did you send them as supporting evidence in terms of income?  What is the size of your household?

 

I think my husband said they asked for last year's tax return, so he sent that.  Our household is 4 people, and income is $25,000.

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2 hours ago, Plarka said:

 

I think my husband said they asked for last year's tax return, so he sent that.  Our household is 4 people, and income is $25,000.

Were you/your spouse getting any means-tested benefits?  If so, did you include proof of that?  Did you include any proof of income generated now, like any pay stubs, employment letter stating income, etc.?  Copies of bills, anything other than just the tax return?

 

[anniesdream 5]

On 6/20/2018 at 7:26 PM, Plarka said:

My husband submitted the fee waiver application with his N-400 application.  We are well below the 150% poverty level.  He just noticed there's a pending transaction on our credit card for the full amount of the application!  He sent the application about a week ago.  No mail from them yet.  Does this mean he was denied and they're just taking the money???

I don't quite understand. When you request for fee waiver, you'll have to file paper version which means you don't need to attach a check or your credit card info to the application. How could USCIS  possibly charge you the amount of the application fee?

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50 minutes ago, anniesdream said:

I don't quite understand. When you request for fee waiver, you'll have to file paper version which means you don't need to attach a check or your credit card info to the application. How could USCIS  possibly charge you the amount of the application fee?

I just assumed also they sent a signed G-1450 form along with the waiver request---which would have not made much sense to me either, as it would have automatically shown USCIS that they were able to pay the N400 fee if needed  

 

Hopefully OP comes back to this thread to clarify.

[Plarka 0]

My husband said that he sent in the N-400 and also the I-912, and then a week or 2 later he got a letter saying he used outdated forms and also needed to provide credit card info.  So he redid the application and waiver with the new forms and send in cc details!

 

I was away visiting family for a few weeks, so I wasn't here, and this is only based on emails and phone calls while I was away.  I'll need to ask him to clarify.  You're right, it doesn't make sense to provide payment details PLUS a request for a waiver.   

 

He only gave low income info because he said you only need to choose one.  I just read that on the website too.

Edited June 22, 2018 by Plarka

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1 hour ago, Plarka said:

 

He only gave low income info because he said you only need to choose one.  I just read that on the website too.

In the instructions for the fee waiver, it outlines the types of documents they accept as supporting evidence of financial hardship.  Not sure why he thought only the tax return was needed.  Check out the instructions PDF, part 6 https://www.uscis.gov/i-912 

 

Part 6. Financial Hardship  

 

Item Number 3. Total Monthly Expenses and Liabilities. Provide your average monthly costs for all applicable categories provided.

Documentation:   Provide evidence, where possible, such as copies of monthly bills and payments, and documentation for monthly expenses and any extenuating circumstances, such as medical bills. If you cannot provide evidence of income, you may submit affidavits from religious institutions, non-profits, or community-based organizations verifying that you are currently receiving some benefit or support from them.

 

It sounds like they didn't have much evidence to go on when determining an approval, if he didn't submit anything more than just the tax return as evidence.

 

Were you/your spouse getting any means-tested benefits?  If so, did you include proof of that (as also noted later on in the instructions)?  Did you include any proof of income generated now, like any pay stubs, employment letter stating income, etc. (as also noted later on in the instructions)?  Copies of bills, anything other than just the tax return?

Edited June 22, 2018 by Going through

[Plarka 0]

I'll ask him again.  He's at work.  I rarely see him long enough to have a conversation about anything!

Edited June 22, 2018 by Plarka

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4 hours ago, Going through said:

In the instructions for the fee waiver, it outlines the types of documents they accept as supporting evidence of financial hardship.  Not sure why he thought only the tax return was needed.  Check out the instructions PDF, part 6 https://www.uscis.gov/i-912 

 

Part 6. Financial Hardship  

 

Item Number 3. Total Monthly Expenses and Liabilities. Provide your average monthly costs for all applicable categories provided.

Documentation:   Provide evidence, where possible, such as copies of monthly bills and payments, and documentation for monthly expenses and any extenuating circumstances, such as medical bills. If you cannot provide evidence of income, you may submit affidavits from religious institutions, non-profits, or community-based organizations verifying that you are currently receiving some benefit or support from them.

 

It sounds like they didn't have much evidence to go on when determining an approval, if he didn't submit anything more than just the tax return as evidence.

 

Were you/your spouse getting any means-tested benefits?  If so, did you include proof of that (as also noted later on in the instructions)?  Did you include any proof of income generated now, like any pay stubs, employment letter stating income, etc. (as also noted later on in the instructions)?  Copies of bills, anything other than just the tax return?

 

But they didn't apply based on financial hardship. They applied based on income below 150% poverty level. And the only requirement for that is to send the tax return, which they did. So I don't see how this is an issue of not sending enough evidence or documentation.

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9 hours ago, Mishal said:

 

But they didn't apply based on financial hardship. They applied based on income below 150% poverty level. And the only requirement for that is to send the tax return, which they did. So I don't see how this is an issue of not sending enough evidence or documentation.

Exactly!  I guess we'll get a letter??  

[pineywoods 1]

No idea what will happen. I am a bit worried because I sent my N-400 and I-912 last week using the poverty level criterion also and I haven't heard back at all. I sent 4 years tax return though, and I didn't send a check or credit card details.

 

On a side note, I did the same 2 years back when renewing my green card in 2016. They approved my I-912 without any issues.

Edited June 23, 2018 by Mishal