Immigrant Children Cry Out in Audio Recorded at Detention Center

[bcking 3,157]

4 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Yeah just put them in a center with lots of adults who might do bad things to these children when we don't even know if the "parents" who brought them there really are parents or traffickers... Great idea. 

 

I hate what is going on too, I hate the situation BUT: they brought this onto themselves. Mexico need to figure out a way to keep people from trying to cross into the US. The Mexicans need to realize that we're not going to let them in just because they show up. 

 

My only response to the bold part: Waterboarding. 

 

If we are talking about the children, they certainly did not bring this upon themselves.

 

1 minute ago, Unidentified said:

I thought the republicans where in charge? Did we somehow have a coup? Who's our president now? 

It's hard to tell when people like our Attorney General quote the bible as a reference for why they are enforcing the laws in this way.

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

If we are talking about the children, they certainly did not bring this upon themselves.

 

It's hard to tell when people like our Attorney General quote the bible as a reference for why they are enforcing the laws in this way.

No, I am not talking about the children. Otherwise I wouldn't question the maternity/paternity of the children. 

 

Yeah, some people are crazier than others and somehow they make it up the career ladder somehow.  

[Dashinka 24,505]

6 minutes ago, bcking said:

Where is the 88% number from, out of curiosity? 

 

I don't see why it is a joke to wonder why we don't have such information. As I said before, it wouldn't be hard for the government to put this sort of stuff together and you would assume that if it made them look good they would gladly publicize it.

 

I can only guess but I would think a large number of people from Central America/Mexico and coming to America via "word of mouth". I doubt they sit down at their computer, look up American immigration law, and decide that the best course of action, after thorough research, is to present themselves at a POE for inspection. In fact, if they were truly "fearing for their life" (seeking asylum), I would say it is even less likely for them to do so.

 

 

That is all the more reason to appear at a valid POE rather than coming across illegally potentially with help and a payment to a coyote.  I think all the handwringing going on now with the Left is that the administration decided that they were actually going to enforce the existing laws and prosecute illegal border crossings. 

Edited June 19, 2018 by Bill & Katya

[yuna628 9,676]

13 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

If they are truly asylum seekers, then why not just present themselves at a POE for inspection and an application for asylum.  Instead they are crossing illegally and them claiming asylum.  That makes no sense at all.

Except many have been. Some have been turned away and prevented from doing so outright. Some, once presenting themselves, have had their children removed from them, and still have not to be reunited with them (something the admin is claiming isn't happening.. but yet it is).

[Umka36 781]

11 minutes ago, bcking said:

Where is the 88% number from, out of curiosity? 

 

I don't see why it is a joke to wonder why we don't have such information. As I said before, it wouldn't be hard for the government to put this sort of stuff together and you would assume that if it made them look good they would gladly publicize it.

 

I can only guess but I would think a large number of people from Central America/Mexico and coming to America via "word of mouth". I doubt they sit down at their computer, look up American immigration law, and decide that the best course of action, after thorough research, is to present themselves at a POE for inspection. In fact, if they were truly "fearing for their life" (seeking asylum), I would say it is even less likely for them to do so.

 

 

Maybe the US should do what Canada did about the influx of Haitian asylum seeker from the US, go to the source (it's 2017 news, but it's an ideal)?

 

"Haitian-Canadian MP Emmanuel Dubourg will travel to Miami on Wednesday to try and counter misinformation which has driven thousands of Haitian asylum seekers to Canada in recent months."

 

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/haitian-canadian-mp-heads-to-miami-to-address-would-be-asylum-seekers

Edited June 19, 2018 by Umka36

[Dashinka 24,505]

52 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

No, I'm against this country losing it's morality at the expense of a political game. We are assuming what these kids are receiving. How about some clarity of proper oversight. Once those kids are here, it is our responsibility. They are innocent children that deserve to be treated compassionately. I'm simply not seeing that. Holding children in cages is not what America stands for. Again, would you be comfortable with your kids in that situation?

 

Except it's not jus just liberals complaining about the situation.

Aren't you assuming that these are unacceptable conditions?  You still haven't said what would suffice in your eyes as acceptable.  Should we let these kids just roam around freely?  Personally, I believe they should be held until parentage can be ascertained, and then if they are unaccompanied, they can be turned over to the consulate of their country of origin.  If they are truly a family, then they will have to wait for the outcome of the illegal border crossing prosecution and subsequent asylum adjudication.

[Unidentified 2,930]

4 hours ago, bcking said:

That's the key. Yes some may fall into the "falsely claiming to be a parent" but I imagine that is a tiny minority. 

 

The reality is they are all being separated because they are now all being considered "criminals" for attempting illegal entry.

 

If we still don't want to "catch and release" and still want to prosecute all, we could still try to create holding areas where families could stay together while facing criminal proceedings. Why do the centers for children and centers for adults need to be separated?

 

Also - As I said I'm sure some are 'falsely claiming to be a parent", many are also seeking asylum, which isn't a crime. So are those people also being put into criminal proceedings, and if so on what charge?

Because there are bad adults in this world that does really bad stuff to children? Have you heard what happens in refugee camps? 

[Dashinka 24,505]

2 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Except many have been. Some have been turned away and prevented from doing so outright. Some, once presenting themselves, have had their children removed from them, and still have not to be reunited with them (something the admin is claiming isn't happening.. but yet it is).

So you are saying some may not have met the criteria for seeking asylum and were turned away and then chose to cross illegally?

[Unidentified 2,930]

4 hours ago, yuna628 said:

7) I do not find that the conditions these children are being held in is satisfactory. And there is some evidence that because of the overwhelming amount the system cannot cope of their needs properly. We used to stand for humanity and compassion. This is an embarrassment. Many of you wont' agree with me on this. Some of you will say that the parents should have thought of this before, but to me this is no excuse. Bad behavior is not corrected by more bad behavior. The kids did not come here willingly. You would not want your kids housed like this. No child should be housed like this. Whether they be American or foreign born. At the current statistical rate this will be untenable. Each side knows it.

I wonder if ICE has though of "hey, if we can prove this child belongs to this mother maybe a relative can come and pick up the child so he/she doesn't need to be here while mommy is being processed". 

[Umka36 781]

U.S. Department of Justice

Executive Office for Immigration Review

Office of Planning, Analysis, and Technology

Immigration Courts

Asylum Statistics

FY 2012 - 2016

 

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/file/asylum-statistics/download

[yuna628 9,676]

12 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So you are saying some may not have met the criteria for seeking asylum and were turned away and then chose to cross illegally?

Nope. Simply they were never given any opportunity to meet that criteria. They literally present themselves and state their asylum claim, or before they can do so, they are told to ''go away, no room''. Additionally, recent directives from Sessions are of concern. If one moves the goalposts or removes points of what a person can claim asylum on - such as slavery/servitude, domestic violence, rape and fear of life, what could many of these women claim to begin with? Seriously, quite a few cases in the court system right. The logic here is horrifying how some asylum seekers have been treated.

 

6 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

I wonder if ICE has though of "hey, if we can prove this child belongs to this mother maybe a relative can come and pick up the child so he/she doesn't need to be here while mommy is being processed". 

For the moment, it doesn't appear that this is the thought because at the going rate they cannot keep up. How exactly can they prove it in some cases, and for at least 1500 kids (though McClatchy has a post up now saying nearly 6000 kids) have been completely lost. Not merely that the supposed 'relative' failed to pick up the phone either!

Edited June 19, 2018 by yuna628

[Unidentified 2,930]

2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Not cages that's for sure, or anything that resembles a prison environment. One image did in fact showcase a prison bus with the seats filled with baby carriers. Where are these children going? We do not know where the babies, toddlers, and smaller children are. Why are representatives denied access? Some of these facilities are admittedly overcrowded. The adults brought them here, yes. But the current situation of housing them is one that is falling upon our responsibility to maintain. By some estimates in a few more months and the going rate, we will have 30k children. They are overcrowded now. This situation will not be remotely realistically feasible to maintain. Do you, as a parent, as a human being feel comfortable seeing children like this? Would you be comfortable with your child like this? Regardless of the actions you took to get your child there, would you be comfortable knowing your child was housed there?

As far as I am aware, the consulates are contacted. If their countries did not care enough about these individuals that brought them to desperately seek a better life in the US, you and I both know they will provide little support. I still very much believe that if many of them had a legal pathway to move here legally as a family unit and contribute, they would. You know there are not many legal pathways currently to support that.

Ah the ever present ''should we be the world police?'' question. Over-extending ourselves into world affairs can be seen as meddling. At the same time nationalism and protectionism is a reactionary policy that has proven to do little good in the long run. America has always been the last defending light of democracy and other decent moral principles. We were supposed to lead the way, and largely our founding concept was that a person from all walks of life and from whatever country and culture, could come here and unite under those principles for freedom. Throughout history we have seen what has happened to the world when these principles are not held to in other countries, and when that has threatened us too. We have seen what happens when we turn a blind eye and we have also seen what happens when we meddle not for the good of another country but for our own selfish wants.

 

I have thought about this to some degree. Does the UN have a responsibility here and would this be feasible?

That bus actually take kids to Zoo... They can even watch DVD's. 

 

https://www.weeklystandard.com/holmes-lybrand/fact-check-does-ice-have-a-prison-bus-just-for-babies

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

6 minutes ago, Umka36 said:

U.S. Department of Justice

Executive Office for Immigration Review

Office of Planning, Analysis, and Technology

Immigration Courts

Asylum Statistics

FY 2012 - 2016

 

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/file/asylum-statistics/download

Is that a downward trend in granted asylums from the great Obama? 

 

Heresy from an obvious white supremest

[Unidentified 2,930]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

No one is asking for luxury hotels.

I agree actually. What good is the UN if they only step in sometimes and not others? Having them involved might be very beneficial. Asylum seekers would feel a lot safer. They could receive help and options for assistance too. We could also process in a more orderly fashion. A lot of this is about gang violence, but also brutal rapes, forced sex work, child theft, and it sounds like forced conscription into gang life. Many of these young men are not choosing to be in a gang.. they are being forced to do so or else. I still vaguely remember a case in Baltimore as a child, of an immigrant family that had escaped here, and many years later had their children brutalized and their heads cut off as a 'message'. They hunted them down just to do it! Recently another case of MS13 that stabbed a man to death, decapitated him, and cut his heart out as a message to others in his family. It also seems as if they tend to be so vengeful they will hunt them down if they try to flee elsewhere even once they make it here. The choices elsewhere are experiencing similar issues, including poverty, starvation, and political unrest. Ultimately I think they simply want a better life for their kids, and America for all it's faults, is seen as the last bastion of opportunity, safety, freedom, and hope.

 

Even after the parent is deported, there is evidence to suggest the child is not sent with them. Some cases, the child is never seen again. One asylum seeker has just launched a lawsuit, her child was removed and was not returned.

Because they need approval from the country or they would go against that country's sovereignty... They can't just barge in just because they want to. 

[yuna628 9,676]

Just now, Unidentified said:

That bus actually take kids to Zoo... They can even watch DVD's. 

 

https://www.weeklystandard.com/holmes-lybrand/fact-check-does-ice-have-a-prison-bus-just-for-babies

Babies aren't going to a zoo or a theater. Tell me, where do the nursing babies go? The ones that need diaper changes and cribs? As I said, some of this stuff was going on during the previous admin too. Oversight is needed.