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19 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Not cages that's for sure, or anything that resembles a prison environment. One image did in fact showcase a prison bus with the seats filled with baby carriers. Where are these children going? We do not know where the babies, toddlers, and smaller children are. Why are representatives denied access? Some of these facilities are admittedly overcrowded. The adults brought them here, yes. But the current situation of housing them is one that is falling upon our responsibility to maintain. By some estimates in a few more months and the going rate, we will have 30k children. They are overcrowded now. This situation will not be remotely realistically feasible to maintain. Do you, as a parent, as a human being feel comfortable seeing children like this? Would you be comfortable with your child like this? Regardless of the actions you took to get your child there, would you be comfortable knowing your child was housed there?

As far as I am aware, the consulates are contacted. If their countries did not care enough about these individuals that brought them to desperately seek a better life in the US, you and I both know they will provide little support. I still very much believe that if many of them had a legal pathway to move here legally as a family unit and contribute, they would. You know there are not many legal pathways currently to support that.

Ah the ever present ''should we be the world police?'' question. Over-extending ourselves into world affairs can be seen as meddling. At the same time nationalism and protectionism is a reactionary policy that has proven to do little good in the long run. America has always been the last defending light of democracy and other decent moral principles. We were supposed to lead the way, and largely our founding concept was that a person from all walks of life and from whatever country and culture, could come here and unite under those principles for freedom. Throughout history we have seen what has happened to the world when these principles are not held to in other countries, and when that has threatened us too. We have seen what happens when we turn a blind eye and we have also seen what happens when we meddle not for the good of another country but for our own selfish wants.

 

I have thought about this to some degree. Does the UN have a responsibility here and would this be feasible?

So if we provide them with luxury hotel accommodation, I suspect the numbers will be much more than 30k.  Maybe we should just shut down the boarder and let Mexico take them.  The simple truth is that nothing will satisfy the Left short of having completely open boarders.

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Well, what's going on in the US southern border isn't sustainable. What's the UN role beyond lecturing the US about this crisis? My family was in a refugee camp for many years, before landing in the US. It wasn't ideal, but we were safe.

 

I get that everyone wants a better life for one's family, but we often hear this crisis is about gang violence. If it's about safety, then why put your family in jeopardy by traveling such a long distance. As mentioned, there are other country that are close and safe.

 

 

 

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I heard a pundit saying Trump should issue an EO to take care of this issue.  I thought the judges already stifled his immigration EOs.

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2 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

its really that simple isnt it. I can see the media headline when some child gets raped by a gang member "Trump policy at Border allowing children to be raped"

The media has tried to put Trump in a no win situation (as they often do). If he puts children in a seperate facility from adults (as Obama and presidents before him did when they didn't simply let them go free) for their protection he is an evil child abuser. If he puts them in with the adult population and they get raped, beat up or killed by some MS13 gang member then he is an evil child abuser. There is no ideal solution to this. In my opinion the children are safer in a children's facility then they would be in the adult population. That is why we don't put children in adult jails or prisons. Anything to distract fron the IG report or anything else that is embarassing to the left.

 

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3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So if we provide them with luxury hotel accommodation, I suspect the numbers will be much more than 30k.  Maybe we should just shut down the boarder and let Mexico take them.  The simple truth is that nothing will satisfy the Left short of having completely open boarders.

No one is asking for luxury hotels.

2 minutes ago, Umka36 said:

Well, what's going on in the US southern border isn't sustainable. What's the UN role beyond lecturing the US about this crisis? My family was in a refugee camp for many years, before landing in the US. It wasn't ideal, but we were safe.

 

I get that everyone wants a better life for one's family, but we often hear this crisis is about gang violence. If it's about safety, then why put your family in jeopardy by traveling such a long distance. As mentioned, there are other country that are close and safe.

 

 

 

I agree actually. What good is the UN if they only step in sometimes and not others? Having them involved might be very beneficial. Asylum seekers would feel a lot safer. They could receive help and options for assistance too. We could also process in a more orderly fashion. A lot of this is about gang violence, but also brutal rapes, forced sex work, child theft, and it sounds like forced conscription into gang life. Many of these young men are not choosing to be in a gang.. they are being forced to do so or else. I still vaguely remember a case in Baltimore as a child, of an immigrant family that had escaped here, and many years later had their children brutalized and their heads cut off as a 'message'. They hunted them down just to do it! Recently another case of MS13 that stabbed a man to death, decapitated him, and cut his heart out as a message to others in his family. It also seems as if they tend to be so vengeful they will hunt them down if they try to flee elsewhere even once they make it here. The choices elsewhere are experiencing similar issues, including poverty, starvation, and political unrest. Ultimately I think they simply want a better life for their kids, and America for all it's faults, is seen as the last bastion of opportunity, safety, freedom, and hope.

 

Even after the parent is deported, there is evidence to suggest the child is not sent with them. Some cases, the child is never seen again. One asylum seeker has just launched a lawsuit, her child was removed and was not returned.

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2 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

No one is asking for luxury hotels.

I agree actually. What good is the UN if they only step in sometimes and not others? Having them involved might be very beneficial. Asylum seekers would feel a lot safer. They could receive help and options for assistance too. We could also process in a more orderly fashion. A lot of this is about gang violence, but also brutal rapes, forced sex work, child theft, and it sounds like forced conscription into gang life. Many of these young men are not choosing to be in a gang.. they are being forced to do so or else. I still vaguely remember a case in Baltimore as a child, of an immigrant family that had escaped here, and many years later had their children brutalized and their heads cut off as a 'message'. They hunted them down just to do it! Recently another case of MS13 that stabbed a man to death, decapitated him, and cut his heart out as a message to others in his family. It also seems as if they tend to be so vengeful they will hunt them down if they try to flee elsewhere even once they make it here. The choices elsewhere are experiencing similar issues, including poverty, starvation, and political unrest. Ultimately I think they simply want a better life for their kids, and America for all it's faults, is seen as the last bastion of opportunity, safety, freedom, and hope.

 

Even after the parent is deported, there is evidence to suggest the child is not sent with them. Some cases, the child is never seen again. One asylum seeker has just launched a lawsuit, her child was removed and was not returned.

These kids get fed, the get a place to sleep, they get recreational items, a roof over their heads, etc.  It seems you are just against the optics.  Like I said before, this is the responsibility of the adults that either brought them here, or sent them on their own, and let's not forget Mexico that decided to waive its own immigration laws while many of these folks traversed from their own home countries.

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1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

These kids get fed, the get a place to sleep, they get recreational items, a roof over their heads, etc.  It seems you are just against the optics.  Like I said before, this is the responsibility of the adults that either brought them here, or sent them on their own, and let's not forget Mexico that decided to waive its own immigration laws while many of these folks traversed from their own home countries.

I agree.  It's crazy that liberals are complaining when these kids are getting much better care than when they were "refugees".

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4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

These kids get fed, the get a place to sleep, they get recreational items, a roof over their heads, etc.  It seems you are just against the optics.  Like I said before, this is the responsibility of the adults that either brought them here, or sent them on their own, and let's not forget Mexico that decided to waive its own immigration laws while many of these folks traversed from their own home countries.

No, I'm against this country losing it's morality at the expense of a political game. We are assuming what these kids are receiving. How about some clarity of proper oversight. Once those kids are here, it is our responsibility. They are innocent children that deserve to be treated compassionately. I'm simply not seeing that. Holding children in cages is not what America stands for. Again, would you be comfortable with your kids in that situation?

 

1 minute ago, missileman said:

I agree.  It's crazy that liberals are complaining when these kids are getting much better care than when they were "refugees".

Except it's not jus just liberals complaining about the situation.

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3 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Would the media report it?  Up until late Sunday, the mainstream press appeared to be covering this in a nonchalant manner, then bam, it all gestapo tactics and concentration camps.  I agree, we do not know how many false claims of parenthood there are, but we do know that child trafficking is concern, and for some reason these folks are avoiding inspection at a POE, and one wonders why.  As others have said, DNA testing would be required and that takes some time particularly with the numbers.  Since the adults are being held due to their illegal border crossing, I would not advocate putting these children in prison with them any more than I would advocate for a child being put in lock up if their parent was arrested for a DUI, or something like that.

 

We all know certain media outputs would report it (one of which, despite some members of their team claiming otherwise, is quite large). To me that isn't a good enough excuse to not report the data (assuming of course they have any additional information). So either the additional details regarding the current crop of cases either isn't available to be compiled and reported, or the data doesn't do them any favours painting the issue in a better light so they aren't going to provide more information.

 

49 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

one of the problems is we have made it far too inviting and easy for them to come for far too long. Asylum my big fat hairy butt. That is what they are saying when they get caught. Its just an excuse. It needs to stop

Just to be clear, do you believe:

 

1. "Asylum" as a concept doesn't/shouldn't exist and all "Asylum" seekers are fraud 

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2. "Asylum" is a real thing, but most people using it are frauds

 

If it's the former, I have nothing really to say to you. If it's the latter, any information to actually support your claim that a significant proportion of people seeking asylum are just using it "as an excuse"?

 

I'm sure some people use it as an excuse but as I said about the "fake parentage" issue, I'd like to have some idea of how prevalent it actually is before I start lumping everyone into the same bucket.

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We all know certain media outputs would report it (one of which, despite some members of their team claiming otherwise, is quite large). To me that isn't a good enough excuse to not report the data (assuming of course they have any additional information). So either the additional details regarding the current crop of cases either isn't available to be compiled and reported, or the data doesn't do them any favours painting the issue in a better light so they aren't going to provide more information.

 

Just to be clear, do you believe:

 

1. "Asylum" as a concept doesn't/shouldn't exist and all "Asylum" seekers are fraud 

or

2. "Asylum" is a real thing, but most people using it are frauds

 

If it's the former, I have nothing really to say to you. If it's the latter, any information to actually support your claim that a significant proportion of people seeking asylum are just using it "as an excuse"?

 

I'm sure some people use it as an excuse but as I said about the "fake parentage" issue, I'd like to have some idea of how prevalent it actually is before I start lumping everyone into the same bucket.

2  but I dont have a database to support that ROFL

88% of all asylum seekers from Mexico are ejected..I figured it would be higher than that. I think 88% is a pretty high, it Bs rate dont you 

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14 minutes ago, bcking said:

We all know certain media outputs would report it (one of which, despite some members of their team claiming otherwise, is quite large). To me that isn't a good enough excuse to not report the data (assuming of course they have any additional information). So either the additional details regarding the current crop of cases either isn't available to be compiled and reported, or the data doesn't do them any favours painting the issue in a better light so they aren't going to provide more information.

 

Just to be clear, do you believe:

 

1. "Asylum" as a concept doesn't/shouldn't exist and all "Asylum" seekers are fraud 

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2. "Asylum" is a real thing, but most people using it are frauds

 

If it's the former, I have nothing really to say to you. If it's the latter, any information to actually support your claim that a significant proportion of people seeking asylum are just using it "as an excuse"?

 

I'm sure some people use it as an excuse but as I said about the "fake parentage" issue, I'd like to have some idea of how prevalent it actually is before I start lumping everyone into the same bucket.

If they are truly asylum seekers, then why not just present themselves at a POE for inspection and an application for asylum.  Instead they are crossing illegally and them claiming asylum.  That makes no sense at all.

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If they are truly asylum seekers, then why not just present themselves at a POE for inspection and an application for asylum.  Instead they are crossing illegally and them claiming asylum.  That makes no sense at all.

You know why

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13 hours ago, jb914 said:

No.

 

The argument is, don't separate a toddler from her parents.

 

Refuse them entry together, or detain them together, or let them in pending asylum together, but don't rip young children from their parents arms.

 

We are the United States of America. We aren't Al Qaeda, we don't practice cruelty for no reason.

Yeah just put them in a center with lots of adults who might do bad things to these children when we don't even know if the "parents" who brought them there really are parents or traffickers... Great idea. 

 

I hate what is going on too, I hate the situation BUT: they brought this onto themselves. Mexico need to figure out a way to keep people from trying to cross into the US. The Mexicans need to realize that we're not going to let them in just because they show up. 

 

My only response to the bold part: Waterboarding. 

 





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13 hours ago, jb914 said:

Requesting asylum is not illegal.

 

Administration is separating children (2000 the past 6 weeks) from parents who are lawfully presenting at border and requesting asylum, not just those entering illegaly.

 

DNA testing can establish parenthood in a matter of hours.

 

And how exactly is the party of evangelical Christians defending the practice of separating young children from their parents? I somehow doubt Jesus would approve.

I thought the republicans where in charge? Did we somehow have a coup? Who's our president now? 





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7 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

2  but I dont have a database to support that ROFL

88% of all asylum seekers from Mexico are ejected..I figured it would be higher than that. I think 88% is a pretty high, it Bs rate dont you 

Where is the 88% number from, out of curiosity? 

 

I don't see why it is a joke to wonder why we don't have such information. As I said before, it wouldn't be hard for the government to put this sort of stuff together and you would assume that if it made them look good they would gladly publicize it.

 

6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

If they are truly asylum seekers, then why not just present themselves at a POE for inspection and an application for asylum.  Instead they are crossing illegally and them claiming asylum.  That makes no sense at all.

I can only guess but I would think a large number of people from Central America/Mexico and coming to America via "word of mouth". I doubt they sit down at their computer, look up American immigration law, and decide that the best course of action, after thorough research, is to present themselves at a POE for inspection. In fact, if they were truly "fearing for their life" (seeking asylum), I would say it is even less likely for them to do so.

 

 

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