Immigrant Children Cry Out in Audio Recorded at Detention Center

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

17 minutes ago, jb914 said:

Breastfeeding asylum seeking mothers are having their infants ripped away, never to see them again (mother gets deported, child winds up in ICE holding facility).

After fleeing third world conditions that no doubt the critics and their families would likewise flee if faced with themselves (as perhaps many of our ancestors did when they came here).

Hardly a fair comparison to a US volunteer soldier leaving his children with his spouse.

The president of the American Academy of Pediatrics on Monday said President Trump's "zero tolerance" policy separating families at the U.S.-Mexico border "amounts to child abuse."

Former FIrst Lady Laura Bush says:

"I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.

These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history.

“We pride ourselves on believing that people should be seen for the content of their character, not the color of their skin. We pride ourselves on acceptance. If we are truly that country, then it is our obligation to reunite these detained children with their parents — and to stop separating parents and children in the first place," she said adding that Americans pride on being the nation that sends humanitarian relief to devastated places."

Hey you could call those people that come here WILLINGLY as volunteers as well. But they come here voluntarily to subvert our laws and drain our economy.

All the while the US soldier is sent overseas to serve our country. But those conditions are better than what I had when I lived in Iraq or Afghanistan as a Volunteer Marine serving this country.

 

It may break your heart but the parents have no one to blame but themselves for putting their families through this. I am glad quite frankly that we are upholding the rule of law and not doing catch and release anymore.

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

suckling child ripped from mothers bosom, never to be seen again. ROFL at the clutching pearls fake drama

Exactly... I thought the "never to be seen again" was particularly dramatic.....😄

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2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

suckling child ripped from mothers bosom, never to be seen again. ROFL at the clutching pearls fake drama

I am still waiting on collusion part, or the obstruction part, or the stormy daniels part that was 2 weeks ago faux outrage set up by the left.

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1 minute ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Hey you could call those people that come here WILLINGLY as volunteers as well. But they come here voluntarily to subvert our laws and drain our economy.

All the while the US soldier is sent overseas to serve our country. But those conditions are better than what I had when I lived in Iraq or Afghanistan as a Volunteer Marine serving this country.

 

It may break your heart but the parents have no one to blame but themselves for putting their families through this. I am glad quite frankly that we are upholding the rule of law and not doing catch and release anymore.

Great article with the truth about this policy, which has been in place since 1997

The Truth about Separating Kids

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/

 

"The Trump administration isn’t changing the rules that pertain to separating an adult from the child. Those remain the same. Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings."

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Great article with the truth about this policy, which has been in place since 1997

The Truth about Separating Kids

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/

 

"The Trump administration isn’t changing the rules that pertain to separating an adult from the child. Those remain the same. Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings."

BOOM!!!!! This story will never see the light of day in the MSM...

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Great article with the truth about this policy, which has been in place since 1997

The Truth about Separating Kids

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/

 

"The Trump administration isn’t changing the rules that pertain to separating an adult from the child. Those remain the same. Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings."

Which EVERY PERSON that enters illegally is now being put into criminal proceedings which is good in my book.

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so, in the Obama years, these "family units" were just released into the US on the honor system to await ajudacation. 

"Catch and Release" is over, folks....

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5 minutes ago, missileman said:

BOOM!!!!! This story will never see the light of day in the MSM...

and since Trump is actually prosecuting 100% instead of giving them a free pass. There you go 

Just now, missileman said:

so, in the Obama years, these "family units" were just released into the US on the honor system to await ajudacation. 

"Catch and Release" is over, folks....

thank god

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5 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

So you are suggesting the toddlers are put in an immigration center with adults?  Also, how does CBP verify the adults with the children are actually the parents and not traffickers?  I am sure every adult trying to cross is truthful.

Do we have any estimate of the number that are falsifying parenthood? How many anecdotes of that do we even have to begin to form an estimate? 

 

I'm sure those cases probably exist but in ~1,950 adults we should try to have some idea of how many there are in that situation. If it's 1% or something, we can't make all of our decisions based around that 1%. That isn't reasonable.

 

A minority of people wanting to a buy a gun want to do so for violent/criminal purposes. However I'm sure many people here would argue that we shouldn't form all of our gun laws around those few people with ill intent.

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9 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Great article with the truth about this policy, which has been in place since 1997

The Truth about Separating Kids

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/

 

"The Trump administration isn’t changing the rules that pertain to separating an adult from the child. Those remain the same. Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings."

That's the key. Yes some may fall into the "falsely claiming to be a parent" but I imagine that is a tiny minority. 

 

The reality is they are all being separated because they are now all being considered "criminals" for attempting illegal entry.

 

If we still don't want to "catch and release" and still want to prosecute all, we could still try to create holding areas where families could stay together while facing criminal proceedings. Why do the centers for children and centers for adults need to be separated?

 

Also - As I said I'm sure some are 'falsely claiming to be a parent", many are also seeking asylum, which isn't a crime. So are those people also being put into criminal proceedings, and if so on what charge?

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2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

and since Trump is actually prosecuting 100% instead of giving them a free pass. There you go 

thank god

 

2 minutes ago, missileman said:

so, in the Obama years, these "family units" were just released into the US on the honor system to await ajudacation. 

"Catch and Release" is over, folks....

Catch and Release with a court date for sometime in the future that they never showed up and thus are out in the winds. They are convicted in Absentia and Ordered Removed

 

 

Then later on down the line when they are actually caught for some offense it is now "Inhumane to deport someone who has been living here X amount of years".

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3 minutes ago, bcking said:

That's the key. Yes some may fall into the "falsely claiming to be a parent" but I imagine that is a tiny minority. 

 

The reality is they are all being separated because they are now all being considered "criminals" for attempting illegal entry.

 

If we still don't want to "catch and release" and still want to prosecute all, we could still try to create holding areas where families could stay together while facing criminal proceedings. Why do the centers for children and centers for adults need to be separated?

 

Also - As I said I'm sure some are 'falsely claiming to be a parent", many are also seeking asylum, which isn't a crime. So are those people also being put into criminal proceedings, and if so on what charge?

@bcking please read below it's in the article that Nature Boy put out but I singled this out for you. So basically if someone is caught after illegally crossing the border and claims asylum the last paragraph applies.

 

When a migrant is prosecuted for illegal entry, he or she is taken into custody by the U.S. Marshals. In no circumstance anywhere in the U.S. do the marshals care for the children of people they take into custody. The child is taken into the custody of HHS, who cares for them at temporary shelters.The criminal proceedings are exceptionally short, assuming there is no aggravating factor such as a prior illegal entity or another crime. The migrants generally plead guilty, and they are then sentenced to time served, typically all in the same day, although practices vary along the border. After this, they are returned to the custody of ICE.

If the adult then wants to go home, in keeping with the expedited order of removal that is issued as a matter of course, it’s relatively simple. The adult should be reunited quickly with his or her child, and the family returned home as a unit. In this scenario, there’s only a very brief separation.

 

Where it becomes much more of an issue is if the adult files an asylum claim. In that scenario, the adults are almost certainly going to be detained longer than the government is allowed to hold their children.That’s because of something called the Flores Consent Decree from 1997. It says that unaccompanied children can be held only 20 days. A ruling by the Ninth Circuit extended this 20-day limit to children who come as part of family units. So even if we want to hold a family unit together, we are forbidden from doing so.

 

Edited June 19, 2018 by Cyberfx1024

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Just now, Cyberfx1024 said:

@bcking please read below it's in the article that Nature Boy put out but I singled this out for you.

 

When a migrant is prosecuted for illegal entry, he or she is taken into custody by the U.S. Marshals. In no circumstance anywhere in the U.S. do the marshals care for the children of people they take into custody. The child is taken into the custody of HHS, who cares for them at temporary shelters.The criminal proceedings are exceptionally short, assuming there is no aggravating factor such as a prior illegal entity or another crime. The migrants generally plead guilty, and they are then sentenced to time served, typically all in the same day, although practices vary along the border. After this, they are returned to the custody of ICE.

If the adult then wants to go home, in keeping with the expedited order of removal that is issued as a matter of course, it’s relatively simple. The adult should be reunited quickly with his or her child, and the family returned home as a unit. In this scenario, there’s only a very brief separation.

 

Where it becomes much more of an issue is if the adult files an asylum claim. In that scenario, the adults are almost certainly going to be detained longer than the government is allowed to hold their children.That’s because of something called the Flores Consent Decree from 1997. It says that unaccompanied children can be held only 20 days. A ruling by the Ninth Circuit extended this 20-day limit to children who come as part of family units. So even if we want to hold a family unit together, we are forbidden from doing so.

 

Interesting.

 

If that is all being followed, the government should be able to put out some statistics regarding how many of the 1950 adults/2000 children were only "briefly separated" (IE - they followed the course in the first paragraph), and how many have aggravating factors, and how many are claiming asylum.

 

There is a lot of negative press on this. I would expect they would want to start put out some statistics that help paint it in a better light. If the majority of the children are only being separated for 1-2 days I personally would feel a bit better about the situation. If the parents have aggravating factors then, as hard as it may be, separation may be the best thing (at least temporarily). If they are claiming asylum, I find it sad that they still need to be separated. Yes some of those cases may be fraudulent but I can't imagine being someone who is actually genuine, reaching the border, and then realizing you now won't be able to see your children for 20+ days after fleeing horrible conditions where your life was at risk.

 

This is something that could be solved rather quickly, but unfortunately like similar issues in the past year or two (DACA, for example), it is being used as a bargaining chip. Trump is a pretty successful "spin doctor" when it comes to placing the blame on those who aren't actually in power...as if they somehow were the ones that decided to start doing this.

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2 minutes ago, bcking said:

I would expect they would want to start put out some statistics that help paint it in a better light.

Statistic?  We don't need no stinking statistics!  We have suckling infants pulled from their mother's breasts and never seen again.........or at least that is most effective message for the Dems at this point.

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4 minutes ago, missileman said:

Statistic?  We don't need no stinking statistics!  We have suckling infants pulled from their mother's breasts and never seen again.........or at least that is most effective message for the Dems at this point.

Well I mean the only hard numbers I've seen are the ~2000 children, and ~1950 adults in the last 6 weeks I think? I forget the exact numbers.

 

That on its own seems like a lot. I can't fault anyone for thinking that is a lot of children to be forcefully separated from their parents.

 

I'd think the best way to combat that negative press would be to offer more details on the demographics. How many have a history of prior charges, how many are seeking asylum, how many are "brief separations" of 24-48 hours etc...

 

At least for me the whole "This is the democrats' fault"  or "This is a law the democrats made, we are just enforcing it" doesn't really work. That is pretty easy to see through for what it is.

Edited June 19, 2018 by bcking