Immigrant Children Cry Out in Audio Recorded at Detention Center

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

 

If an American parent decided to take their kids on a hike across the Mohave in the late Spring/early Summer do you think the authorities would consider that neglectful?

yes, but the mainstream media would blame it on trump

[Dashinka 24,493]

Just now, Randyandyuni said:

yes, but the mainstream media would blame it on trump

That is what I don't understand, the mainstream media has been painting a Trump America as just awful, why would anyone want to come here?

 

 

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

12 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

That is what I don't understand, the mainstream media has been painting a Trump America as just awful, why would anyone want to come here?

 

 

when you live in a wooden outhouse a brick outhouse looks good

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[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, bcking said:

But this is widely off topic and your statement bringing up abortion and divorce doesn't contribute to the discussion at hand.

Actually, it DOES have a place in this discussion thread.  Simply because the same people who tell us daily that abortion and divorce are choices, and that we just have to accept such choices of ending lives as a daily thing are now all up in arms because illegal entry parents are being separated from their kids, AS THEY HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS, but suddenly it’s a horrible thing and probably the blame of the current administration.

 

See also: Hypocritical reasoning.

[Dashinka 24,493]

5 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Actually, it DOES have a place in this discussion thread.  Simply because the same people who tell us daily that abortion and divorce are choices, and that we just have to accept such choices of ending lives as a daily thing are now all up in arms because illegal entry parents are being separated from their kids, AS THEY HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS, but suddenly it’s a horrible thing and probably the blame of the current administration.

 

See also: Hypocritical reasoning.

Another interesting comparison would be the recent high profile cases of UK agents (doctors) essentially making end-of-life decisions for a couple of families.  Tough choices I imagine. 

[yuna628 9,676]

1 hour ago, TBoneTX said:

 

It matters because more outrage and attention (meaning the desire to offer asylum) is seemingly being proffered the illegal entrants than to female U.S. natives.

You're exactly right -- however, it's not the U.S.'s job to be responsible for stopping, resolving, or ameliorating this reprehensible behavior when it happens in other countries.

Oh, but they are asked, or their claims are confirmed:  E2, H1B, and almost certainly others.

Why should uneducated, penniless asylum-seekers be granted ad hoc or formal entry if they have near-zero chances of learning a country's chief language, have similarly remote chances of career or self-supporting job prospects, and have a near-100% chance that they and their children will immediately and permanently consume public benefits allocated for USCs and legal PRs?

 

I would not say that really. Women's rights, safety, education, and especially during our current era - abuse, is being made more and more aware of every day. Of course for every stride made in the direction of bringing about greater attention and awareness, American women are accused of making a fuss, making it up, asking for it, or a host of other things. Why can't America pay attention to causes of more than one thing?

 

Secondly, no it's not our job to stop the bad stuff going on in the world, but we seemingly do what we can, even at times it appears rather empty. However, historically the US has made great efforts in the attempt to further awareness of human rights abuses and offer our assistance globally to women, minorities, and those persecuted worldwide.

 

Lastly... I would say that the principles this country is founded on is not what the poor and uneducated can contribute to this country vs what an educated and rich person can contribute. The foundation of the fabric of America is that all are created equal and if allowed to flourish under freedom, has the ability to contribute equally or in their own way. Our ancestors were poor, uneducated, and spoke little English. However did we survive? Numerous studies, even by conservative and libertarian organizations show that public benefit consumption by immigrants is far lower than some believe. Undocumented do not have access to such services (LPRs don't have access to many services either of course), and if they obtain access through fraud, even this is seemingly lower than USC fraud of such systems. As for not learning language of this country, I've mentioned several times I'd like to see a more widespread and aggressive effort to empower immigrants to learn English. But I will certainly point out our ancestors seemingly dirt poor and also little English speaking had far less access to the ability to learn the language than their modern counterparts.

[Unidentified 2,930]

9 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Another interesting comparison would be the recent high profile cases of UK agents (doctors) essentially making end-of-life decisions for a couple of families.  Tough choices I imagine. 

That's a whole other discussion.

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

16 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

As for not learning language of this country, I've mentioned several times I'd like to see a more widespread and aggressive effort to empower immigrants to learn English

Forget empowering immigrants to learn English, require it.

 

When I was a kid, there were older Italians and Germans displaced by WWII living in our neighborhoods, they did not always speak English like a native, but they made sure their kids did. There was no press 5 for X-Language, there was no requirements for bilingual teachers in the schools, people were required to assimilate.

 

E plurubis Unum -  from many one, not from many many.

 

Do you think Central American and Mexican schools accommodate non Spanish speakers?

[Crazy Cat 41,845]

Trump signs order to stop family separations......so now, what will be the next item of rage for Trump Haters??

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/20/white-house-considering-executive-action-to-prevent-family-separations-at-border.html

[Umka36 781]

2 minutes ago, missileman said:

Trump signs order to stop family separations......so now, what will be the next item of rage for Trump Haters??

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/20/white-house-considering-executive-action-to-prevent-family-separations-at-border.html

He took to long to act?

[Crazy Cat 41,845]

Just now, Umka36 said:

He took to long to act?

Of course......I should have thought about that...........

 

btw, Peter Fonda should be jailed.

[Crazy Cat 41,845]

and for you Fox News haters, this: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/trump-says-hes-going-to-sign-a-preemptive-measure-to-keep-migrant-families-together.html

[Umka36 781]

47 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

Forget empowering immigrants to learn English, require it.

 

When I was a kid, there were older Italians and Germans displaced by WWII living in our neighborhoods, they did not always speak English like a native, but they made sure their kids did. There was no press 5 for X-Language, there was no requirements for bilingual teachers in the schools, people were required to assimilate.

 

E plurubis Unum -  from many one, not from many many.

 

Do you think Central American and Mexican schools accommodate non Spanish speakers?

 I don't disagree with you, but the US does not have an official language so you can't require it.

[Boiler 45,486]

22 minutes ago, missileman said:

Trump signs order to stop family separations......so now, what will be the next item of rage for Trump Haters??

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/20/white-house-considering-executive-action-to-prevent-family-separations-at-border.html

Anybody who thinks the MDL really care is living in cloud cuckoo land, wonder what would happen if they dropped them of in San Fran, let the bleating begin.

[Crazy Cat 41,845]

3 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Anybody who thinks the MDL really care is living in cloud cuckoo land, wonder what would happen if they dropped them of in San Fran, let the bleating begin.

Does the "L" in MDL mean Liberal or Lunatic?