Recent worrisome immigration enforcement actions

[afrocraft 314]

Five years after she became a citizen. The question isn't about the gravity of her conviction; if she'd had the same issue after becoming a citizen, her naturalization likely wouldn't be at risk. The issue is whether she should've confessed to a crime she didn't believe she'd committed at the time of the application for naturalization.

Edited July 9, 2018 by afrocraft

[BenevolentSith 6]

On 7/9/2018 at 3:55 PM, afrocraft said:

Be careful there. If you read on, you'll see that she wasn't even convicted of any crime at the time of application. The government appeared to base it's case on this question, which I guarantee you the vast majority of applicants answer incorrectly:

 

"Have you EVER committed, assisted in committing, or attempted to commit, a crime or offense for which you were NOT arrested?" (emphasis original).

 

Even the Supreme Court's Chief Justice seemed incredulous:

 

"Last summer, the Supreme Court heard a court case about how broadly the government could use answers to that question to revoke citizenship. The U.S. attorney argued that it could for any crime, even something as small as driving five miles over the speed limit, an example provided by Chief Justice John Roberts as a crime he had committed but never had been arrested for."

This is such a good point.

 

I agree with you that it is very very likely that the majority of applicants who never got arrested, charged or convicted of any crime would answer 'No' to that question (and the majority of those who answer 'No' would be technically 'lying'). Remember that even smoking weed is considered a crime that can render you inadmissible, even if you have never run into trouble before.

 

The charge came much later after her naturalization, yet the government is still pursuing denaturalization. 

 

It's interesting to contrast this with the naturalization application requirement for Canada, where it is explicitly only asking if you have ever been charged or convicted. 

[Ironclad43 131]

It's easy - don't commit crimes.

[Dashinka 24,649]

On 7/9/2018 at 4:43 PM, afrocraft said:

You might be unfamiliar with how the justice system works. Many innocent people plead to reduce the cost and stress of an investigation. But don't ignore the general point: that the government now wants you to confess to any crime you may have ever committed -- or else.

Many guilty people take a plea deal to reduce the punishment of their crime.  I guess she has another legal issue she will have to fight in front of an immigration judge to prove that she did not know her employer was committing a crime at the time she participated which led to her plea deal.  Generally not knowing something is a crime is not a defense.

[TBoneTX 45,659]

Four bickering/noncontributory posts have been removed.  Discuss the topic objectively, or administrative action will be applied.

 

VJ Moderation

[jb914 33]

Is there a reason every single thread grappling with the proposed changes to Public Charge definition is being locked?

 

These reports are coming from the White House itself, it isn't just speculation, and it is something that will affect many (most) of us, since Health Insurance was not only legal but mandatory.

 

The whole point is that the admin is trying to make this change retroactively, so why is discussing this matter not okay?

The Trump administration is expected to issue a proposal in coming weeks that would make it harder for legal immigrants to become citizens or get green cards if they have ever used a range of popular public welfare programs, including Obamacare, four sources with knowledge of the plan told NBC News.

The move, which would not need Congressional approval, is part of White House senior adviser Stephen Miller’s plan to limit the number of migrants who obtain legal status in the U.S. each year.

Details of the rulemaking proposal are still being finalized, but based on a recent draft seen last week and described to NBC News, immigrants living legally in the U.S. who have ever used or whose household members have ever used Obamacare, children’s health insurance, food stamps and other benefits could be hindered from obtaining legal status in the U.S.

Edited August 10, 2018 by jb914

[Penguin_ie 5,995]

Not every thread is being closed; simply those that re-hash the same argument or descend into bickering.  Individual threads of members being worried about their own cases have been left open too, despite many reports from some members to close them.

[little immigrant 801]

I don't know if this was already posted somewhere but I wanted to mentioned it anyways:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/19/us/ice-detains-california-pregnant-womans-husband/index.html

 

I just feel bad for the new mom.

[Boiler 45,756]

3 hours ago, little immigrant said:

I don't know if this was already posted somewhere but I wanted to mentioned it anyways:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/19/us/ice-detains-california-pregnant-womans-husband/index.html

 

I just feel bad for the new mom.

Because she chose to marry an illegal?

[little immigrant 801]

2 hours ago, Boiler said:

Because she chose to marry an illegal?

They were married and came to the States and are both illegal. For this I don't feel bad. I just felt for her when she was at the gas station not knowing what to do and about to give birth alone. There is a video of it. 

 

They're now saying he was wanted for homicide. If that's true I'm glad they got him. 

[Boiler 45,756]

They had at least one obvious option that would have avoided the situation.

[AshMarty 360]

I was actually thinking...

 

"Is her C-section covered under emergency medicare?  She had 5 children in the US... how did all these deliveries get paid for.....If her and her husband are illegal here?" 

 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2018 by AshMarty

[Boiler 45,756]

Their status does not preclude them from buying Insurance.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

5 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Their status does not preclude them from buying Insurance.

MediCal is pretty much given out like candy so my guess is that they did not pay for it. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

21 hours ago, little immigrant said:

I don't know if this was already posted somewhere but I wanted to mentioned it anyways:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/19/us/ice-detains-california-pregnant-womans-husband/index.html

I just feel bad for the new mom.

Why? The C section was planned and they obviously were looking for him because supposedly they stopped to get gas and ICE just surrounded the car. 3 out of 5 children are US Citizens.