Trump declares North Korea "no longer a nuclear threat"

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24 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Grants by definition, are a form of socialism.

 

Grants = Transfer payments. 

 

 

seems everywhere is socialist.

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31 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Grants by definition, are a form of socialism.

 

Grants = Transfer payments. 

 

 

Hmm, I guess I have a different definition of grant and socialism. 

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59 minutes ago, Boiler said:

seems everywhere is socialist.

Yeah pretty much.. 

 

52 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Hmm, I guess I have a different definition of grant and socialism. 

What would be your definition? 

Edited June 14, 2018 by Keith & Arileidi

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 hours ago, bcking said:

I think most people (Republican and Democrats) believe Bush's "Mission Accomplished" banner was inappropriate and in retrospect probably even he thinks he shouldn't have done it. Maybe I'm wrong with that.

 

When did Obama say that ACA fixed everything? Did he ever say "Health care is no longer an issue in the United States!"? That would be a similar equivalent statement. I'll wait for that quote if you can find it.

 

I agree we are off to a good start. But I still would like my President acting like a President. 

Bush's Mission accomplished banner huh ?  

 

Bush never said Mission accomplished . In fact he said "Our Mission continues and we have more difficult work to do in Iraq". direct Quote

 

He also didnt hang the banner some PR officer on the ship did as it was related to the ships mission

 

More nothing burger by fueled by a biased press and digested by a gullible low information non critical thinking populace. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Bush's Mission accomplished banner huh ?  

 

Bush never said Mission accomplished . In fact he said "Our Mission continues and we have more difficult work to do in Iraq". direct Quote

 

He also didnt hang the banner some PR officer on the ship did as it was related to the ships mission

 

More nothing burger by fueled by a biased press and digested by a gullible low information non critical thinking populace. 

 

Next 

But but but

 

CNN?

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Bush's Mission accomplished banner huh ?  

 

Bush never said Mission accomplished . In fact he said "Our Mission continues and we have more difficult work to do in Iraq". direct Quote

 

He also didnt hang the banner some PR officer on the ship did as it was related to the ships mission

 

More nothing burger by fueled by a biased press and digested by a gullible low information non critical thinking populace. 

 

Next 

Direct quote from President Bush:

 

"Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended." (http://www.nbclearn.com/portal/site/k-12/flatview?cuecard=215)

 

Tell that to the majority of causalities in Iraq, which occurred after the speech. He was premature in the way he reported our success, and it was inappropriate and irresponsible.

 

If you want to talk about "nothing burgers", go visit the thread about "Spygate". That's the biggest load of nothing out there right now.

Edited June 14, 2018 by bcking

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

6 minutes ago, bcking said:

Direct quote from President Bush:

 

"Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

 

Tell that to the majority of causalities in Iraq, which occurred after the speech. He was premature in the way he reported our success, and it was inappropriate and irresponsible.

 

If you want to talk about "nothing burgers", go visit the thread about "Spygate". That's the biggest load of nothing out there right now.

and Major combat operation did end then

 

You dont have a grasp of what a combat operation is do you . Spygate.. Deflection noted

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

and Major combat operation did end then

 

You dont have a grasp of what a combat operation is do you . Spygate.. Deflection noted

 

 

 

Military History does not seem a string point.

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6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Military History does not seem a string point.

 

  Neither does spelling.

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2 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

and Major combat operation did end then

 

They absolutely did not end then. We had troop surges long after his little speech. We had the vast majority of our loss of life after his speech. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coalition_military_operations_of_the_Iraq_War

 

I'm not going to add up the number of operations listed there after May 2003. It should be obvious.

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13 minutes ago, bcking said:

They absolutely did not end then. We had troop surges long after his little speech. We had the vast majority of our loss of life after his speech. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coalition_military_operations_of_the_Iraq_War

 

I'm not going to add up the number of operations listed there after May 2003. It should be obvious.

The key word is Major. 

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8 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

The key word is Major. 

Can you please provide a reference for the EXACT distinction between "major combat operation" and "combat operation"? From an official US military source.

 

We had more troops, and more loss of life, in operations after his speech. It would be an insult to those we lost to argue that major combat operation ended in May of 2003.

Edited June 14, 2018 by bcking

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I guess this wasn't a major combat operation?

 

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Fallujah

 

If not, then that title is fairly meaningless and arbitrary.

 

I'll patiently wait for the official definition of a MAJOR combat operation. Since you pointed out that is the key distinction, it must have a very clear cut meaning.

 

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21 minutes ago, bcking said:

Can you please provide a reference for the EXACT distinction between "major combat operation" and "combat operation"? From an official US military source.

 

We had more troops, and more loss of life, in operations after his speech. It would be an insult to those we lost to argue that major combat operation ended in May of 2003.

GWB used the term correctly.  Major Military operation is "usually: a coordinated attack  across several fronts with Division  size units coordinated between all four branches lead by a single commander. 

as opposed to limited or special military operations which is what occured after that point in time. Loss of life does not define the scope of the operation, and of course the next phase of the war lasted much much much longer so casualties mounted.  

 

But I thought we were talking about Bush's banner which was a nothing burger, I think you switched the scope of your argument 

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

GWB used the term correctly.  Major Military operation is "usually: a coordinated attack  across several fronts with Division  size units coordinated between all four branches lead by a single commander. 

as opposed to limited or special military operations which is what occured after that point in time. Loss of life does not define the scope of the operation, and of course the next phase of the war lasted much much much longer so casualties mounted.  

 

But I thought we were talking about Bush's banner which was a nothing burger, I think you switched the scope of your argument 

I was talking about what Bush said and presented at his speech.  I don't care what PR agent decided on the banner, he was the key speaker and highest military representative there. It falls on him. He also overspoke in his actual speech (what we are talking about here).

 

Also - I asked for sources. I see many operations after 2003 being labelled as a major combat operation (including Fallujah). If that is incorrect, I'd like the official distinction from an official source.

Edited June 14, 2018 by bcking