Trump declares North Korea "no longer a nuclear threat"

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 hours ago, bcking said:

If his tweet was positive reinforcement to Kim Jong Un, he could have said it to him directly.

 

It was a public message to everyone. The American people, our allies, and NK. And it is just patently false, and premature. He is publicly flying a "mission accomplished" flag prematurely, and it's inappropriate and irresponsible.

You trying to make a steak out of a nothing burger. Of course he built him up in public.It changes nothing. Intelligence network still in place. Military still ready. Zero has changed. 

 

TDS at its finest   

[jg121783 3,915]

3 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

So when Kim was firing missiles Trump said negative things.

 

Now that Trump has him cooperating he is saying positive things.

 

Its basic psychology.  It's called positive renforcment. 

 

I am surprised a medical professional doesn't pick up on one of the oldest known behavioral modification tools in history. 

 

3 hours ago, bcking said:

If his tweet was positive reinforcement to Kim Jong Un, he could have said it to him directly.

 

It was a public message to everyone. The American people, our allies, and NK. And it is just patently false, and premature. He is publicly flying a "mission accomplished" flag prematurely, and it's inappropriate and irresponsible.

Its all about negotiating with the Asian culture in mind which Trump understands from his years as a business person. A concept his nay sayers can't seem to wrap their heads around. In this case he is allowing Kim Jong Un to make concessions to us while publicly saving face. Some people don't understand the complexities of these negotiations or the Asian culture.

[bcking 3,157]

Just now, jg121783 said:

 

Its all about negotiating with the Asian culture in mind which Trump understands from his years as a business person. A concept his nay sayers can't seem to wrap their heads around. In this case he is allowing Kim Jong Un to make concessions to us while publicly saving face. Some people don't understand the complexities of these negotiations or the Asian culture.

I'm sorry, just no.

 

You can't cover up his lack of professionalism, his hypocrisy and his loud mouth.

 

The truth is he says things like that on Twitter because he feeds off positive feedback. He needs it. It makes him feel good. So he LOVES to pat himself on the back.

 

We've come a long way with North Korea, and that's great. But they haven't done anything yet to actually denuclearise, other than have an accidental cave in at one of their test sites (that we have no control over). We've had nothing concrete from NK yet, so it's very premature to claim the job is done and they are no longer a nuclear threat.

 

If they are no longer a nuclear threat now, Iran was a non-nuclear angel after the Iran Deal. It actually had details and concrete obligations. We have nothing from North Korea yet.

 

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

4 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

 It's called positive renforcment. 
 

maybe in the nb dictionary  

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

maybe in the nb dictionary  

Handgrendaes horseshoes and my phone 

 

Lol 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

10 hours ago, bcking said:

So is this nuclear agreement "strong enough" to declare NK no longer a Nuclear threat? It's not even really an agreement of anything specific. 

 

The only person using "whataboutism" in this thread is you. The topic of the thread was to compare the two agreements, which is quite logical. They are both "nuclear agreements" with hostile countries that I think we all would agree we don't want having nuclear weapons. One was as actual detailed agreement with strategies to enforce it, and apparently that wasn't "good enough". The other is simply stating that the country is "committed", but suddenly that means the country is no longer a nuclear threat. Trump is a hypocrite, and this highlights it quite well.

 

Unfortunately as I said in the other thread, I have to make my way to some meetings. Enjoy your day.

You see Trump as a hypocrite.  I see him as a non-politician that is getting things DONE that have needed doing for many years.  He’s not perfect, but he’s making necessary progress.  Enough so that at this point, I would vote him in for a second term.

 

Different people, seeing the same person in a different light, and able to talk about it without fear of persecution.  Isn’t America great?!?

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

9 hours ago, bcking said:

Exactly. We should all hold judgment until that time, including the President. The status quo has not changed until something concrete has been agreed upon, so stating they are suddenly no longer a nuclear threat is like Bush claiming "Mission Accomplished" (or whatever he said) when he visited the Aircraft Carrier. It's rhetoric, and it's dangerous to use such rhetoric so early.

 

Of course I wouldn't be happier with the status quo. No one in the right mind wants North Korea to continue to be a dangerous, destabilizing international force. But just like with Iran, we need to actually have a concrete plan in place before we start celebrating.

 

Legally speaking there was an agreement, it was just an agreement that could be changed by subsequent Presidents. It was still a completely valid form of international agreement, just not as "ironclad" as one approved by Congress. Similarly, nothing is yet approved by Congress for North Korea. In fact nothing is really even agreed upon specifically by the President. The document just said NK was "committed to denuclearization". That is definitely progress, but hardly makes it "mission accomplished".

 

Exactly that (in bold) - Which is why Trump shouldn't be claiming they are "no longer a nuclear threat". Nothing has been agreed upon. Yes it's just rhetoric, but he is the President of the United States. Rhetoric from the President can be unprofessional, and dangerous. 

 

Show me anyone from the "radical left" that wants North Korea to continue to be a nuclear-armed radical secluded nation. This statement is just baloney. We will all gladly celebrate the fall of the North Korea government (if/when it happens). 

 

Not exactly N. Korea - related, but this is the idea that some espouse, just to see Trump fail so they can laugh about it:

 

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Comedian Bill Maher said on Friday’s episode of his HBO show Real Time that he has no problem with the country sinking into an economic recession if it is detrimental to President Trump.

 

“By the way, I’m hoping for it because one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy. So please, bring on the recession,” Maher said. “Sorry if that hurts people but it’s either root for a recession or you lose your democracy….I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point.”

 

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And the hits just keep on coming...

 

I usually hate the tweets, but loved this one:

[jg121783 3,915]

11 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

So Hillary nudes (I just threw up while trying to type those two words together) may be the key to world peace.

[Dashinka 24,512]

8 hours ago, IDWAF said:

You see Trump as a hypocrite.  I see him as a non-politician that is getting things DONE that have needed doing for many years.  He’s not perfect, but he’s making necessary progress.  Enough so that at this point, I would vote him in for a second term.

 

Different people, seeing the same person in a different light, and able to talk about it without fear of persecution.  Isn’t America great?!?

 

 

And doing it properly by pushing Congress to do their jobs rather than make up laws by himself.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

15 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

The leadership in China is communists, but they have adopted pretty much a capitalistic economic strategy that is slowly moving more toward a full capitalistic system.  Will that eliminate their single party rule, who knows, but time will tell.

That's why I called China a hybrid, alot of thier important economics poi are still owned/controlled by the state. 

 

Capitalism is horrible for solving problems that don't have clear cut timeline to a solution. 

 

 

Edited June 14, 2018 by Keith & Arileidi

[Dashinka 24,512]

6 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

That's why I called China a hybrid, alot of thier important economics poi are still owned/controlled by the state. 

 

Capitalism is horrible for solving problems that don't have clear cut timeline to a solution. 

 

 

To be fair, socialism doesn't do a great job of actually solving any problems either.  It does do a great job at wasting other peoples money though.

[bcking 3,157]

57 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

And doing it properly by pushing Congress to do their jobs rather than make up laws by himself.

Are we still talking about North Korea or are you way off topic?

 

Congress hasn't done anything about North Korea yet.

[bcking 3,157]

8 hours ago, IDWAF said:

I've not dismissing what Trump has done, I never have. I'm just taking it one step at a time. I still don't think it is appropriate for the President to make broadly sweeping national security statements on Twitter with nothing to actually back it up. That was the specific topic of this thread.

 

I think History will also struggle to tease out how much this accomplishment was a result of Trump and how much KJU. KJU seemed suddenly ready to talk, negotiate and cooperate. Was that Trump's doing, or internal factors in his country? Most likely a combination of both.

 

I also think we can't forget and minimize South Korea's involvement. They are key to this process.

Edited June 14, 2018 by bcking