Trump declares North Korea "no longer a nuclear threat"

[Dashinka 24,494]

4 minutes ago, bcking said:

So is this nuclear agreement "strong enough" to declare NK no longer a Nuclear threat? It's not even really an agreement of anything specific. 

 

The only person using "whataboutism" in this thread is you. The topic of the thread was to compare the two agreements, which is quite logical. They are both "nuclear agreements" with hostile countries that I think we all would agree we don't want having nuclear weapons. One was as actual detailed agreement with strategies to enforce it, and apparently that wasn't "good enough". The other is simply stating that the country is "committed", but suddenly that means the country is no longer a nuclear threat. Trump is a hypocrite, and this highlights it quite well.

 

Unfortunately as I said in the other thread, I have to make my way to some meetings. Enjoy your day.

Has anything been presented to Congress yet?  I will reserve my right to judge it at that time.  Rhetoric is Rhetoric, but Trump is dumb and stupid and whatever negative adjective you feel fits, so anything he says is bad. 

 

I suppose you would be much happier with the status quo with respect to the DPRK?

[jg121783 3,915]

15 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Sure, the "whataboutism" only works for those of certain political leanings, I get it.  The last nuclear agreement with Iran wasn't strong enough and since the last president thought he was a one man show it was a weak agreement that could be canceled by a successor which is what happened.  Pretty sophomoric.

 

 

Legally speaking there was no agreement.

 

6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Has anything been presented to Congress yet?  I will reserve my right to judge it at that time.  Rhetoric is Rhetoric, but Trump is dumb and stupid and whatever negative adjective you feel fits, so anything he says is bad. 

Agreed. It is hard for anyone to say what has been agreed to or what might be agreed to until we see what is given to Congress. I also will reserve judgement until that time other than to say the fact that Trump is even making a serious effort can be nothing but a good thing.

 

7 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I suppose you would be much happier with the status quo with respect to the DPRK?

The radical left are panicking that communism (socialism) is on the verge of collapsing in yet another nation. And it might be capitalism and free trade that causes it to collapse.

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36 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Sure, the "whataboutism" only works for those of certain political leanings, I get it.  The last nuclear agreement with Iran wasn't strong enough and since the last president thought he was a one man show it was a weak agreement that could be canceled by a successor which is what happened.  Pretty sophomoric.

 

There was no signed agreement I understand, another one of those Obama passes.

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28 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Legally speaking there was no agreement.

 

Agreed. It is hard for anyone to say what has been agreed to or what might be agreed to until we see what is given to Congress. I also will reserve judgement until that time other than to say the fact that Trump is even making a serious effort can be nothing but a good thing.

 

The radical left are panicking that communism (socialism) is on the verge of collapsing in yet another nation. And it might be capitalism and free trade that causes it to collapse.

Doesn't it fail everywhere it is tried?

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[bcking 3,157]

57 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Has anything been presented to Congress yet?  I will reserve my right to judge it at that time.  Rhetoric is Rhetoric, but Trump is dumb and stupid and whatever negative adjective you feel fits, so anything he says is bad. 

 

I suppose you would be much happier with the status quo with respect to the DPRK?

Exactly. We should all hold judgment until that time, including the President. The status quo has not changed until something concrete has been agreed upon, so stating they are suddenly no longer a nuclear threat is like Bush claiming "Mission Accomplished" (or whatever he said) when he visited the Aircraft Carrier. It's rhetoric, and it's dangerous to use such rhetoric so early.

 

Of course I wouldn't be happier with the status quo. No one in the right mind wants North Korea to continue to be a dangerous, destabilizing international force. But just like with Iran, we need to actually have a concrete plan in place before we start celebrating.

 

47 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Legally speaking there was no agreement.

 

Agreed. It is hard for anyone to say what has been agreed to or what might be agreed to until we see what is given to Congress. I also will reserve judgement until that time other than to say the fact that Trump is even making a serious effort can be nothing but a good thing.

 

Legally speaking there was an agreement, it was just an agreement that could be changed by subsequent Presidents. It was still a completely valid form of international agreement, just not as "ironclad" as one approved by Congress. Similarly, nothing is yet approved by Congress for North Korea. In fact nothing is really even agreed upon specifically by the President. The document just said NK was "committed to denuclearization". That is definitely progress, but hardly makes it "mission accomplished".

 

Exactly that (in bold) - Which is why Trump shouldn't be claiming they are "no longer a nuclear threat". Nothing has been agreed upon. Yes it's just rhetoric, but he is the President of the United States. Rhetoric from the President can be unprofessional, and dangerous. 

 

48 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

The radical left are panicking that communism (socialism) is on the verge of collapsing in yet another nation. And it might be capitalism and free trade that causes it to collapse.

Show me anyone from the "radical left" that wants North Korea to continue to be a nuclear-armed radical secluded nation. This statement is just baloney. We will all gladly celebrate the fall of the North Korea government (if/when it happens). 

 

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

Doesn't it fail everywhere it is tried?

China in the 1960s(?).

They decided that a economic system similar to the US would not work. So they strategically implemented communism to fix their wide spread extreme poverty. 

Now, China has the second largest economy in the world. 

 

So your statement is partially inaccurate. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

China in the 1960s(?).

They decided that a economic system similar to the US would not work. So they strategically implemented communism to fix their wide spread extreme poverty. 

Now, China has the second largest economy in the world. 

 

So your statement is partially inaccurate. 

 

 

Their growth cam after the ditched communism.

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4 hours ago, bcking said:

I'm not talking rhetoric. I'm talking about a direct quote from Trump.

 

He believes North Korea is "no longer a Nuclear threat". He said it himself. I think that is curious since we have no agreement that establishes ANYTHING specific.

 

You are avoiding the actual topic of the post. Typical.

 

EDIT: Also I find it hilarious that you say "I don't care which source" when you are the only one that brought up the source. Also typical.

So when Kim was firing missiles Trump said negative things.

 

Now that Trump has him cooperating he is saying positive things.

 

Its basic psychology.  It's called positive renforcment. 

 

I am surprised a medical professional doesn't pick up on one of the oldest known behavioral modification tools in history. 

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

Their growth cam after the ditched communism.

Well, China is still a communist hyrbid. 

They do what works the same way the US does what works. 

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9 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

So when Kim was firing missiles Trump said negative things.

 

Now that Trump has him cooperating he is saying positive things.

 

Its basic psychology.  It's called positive renforcment. 

 

I am surprised a medical professional doesn't pick up on one of the oldest known behavioral modification tools in history. 

 

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[Dashinka 24,494]

13 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Well, China is still a communist hyrbid. 

They do what works the same way the US does what works. 

The leadership in China is communists, but they have adopted pretty much a capitalistic economic strategy that is slowly moving more toward a full capitalistic system.  Will that eliminate their single party rule, who knows, but time will tell.

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26 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

So when Kim was firing missiles Trump said negative things.

 

Now that Trump has him cooperating he is saying positive things.

 

Its basic psychology.  It's called positive renforcment. 

 

I am surprised a medical professional doesn't pick up on one of the oldest known behavioral modification tools in history. 

If his tweet was positive reinforcement to Kim Jong Un, he could have said it to him directly.

 

It was a public message to everyone. The American people, our allies, and NK. And it is just patently false, and premature. He is publicly flying a "mission accomplished" flag prematurely, and it's inappropriate and irresponsible.

[jg121783 3,915]

5 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

China in the 1960s(?).

They decided that a economic system similar to the US would not work. So they strategically implemented communism to fix their wide spread extreme poverty. 

Now, China has the second largest economy in the world. 

 

So your statement is partially inaccurate. 

 

 

Great system they had being ruled over by a mass murderer and having all the wealth going to party officials. Much better than free market capitalism.