More Info Required - sent to FPU

[Rosiek1 0]

Hi everyone,

 

I am hoping someone can help shed some light. I have researched and researched, and I cannot quite find our scenario.

 

My fiance just had his interview at the London Embassy and they explained that they didn't have enough information on his "criminal record" and asked him to send further info to the FPU and get the ACRO police involved. The officer essentially said "We cannot approve your case until we verify that what you're telling us matches the story that the police have". What we think happened is the following:

 

In 2005, when my fiance was 17 he got into a fight outside of a bar. He turned himself in and received a "Caution" for "Affray". This showed up on his police report as "No Live Trace". When he applied for his DS-160, he described the incident as an altercation that was quickly resolved and did not go any further than a police interview, however he did not say the words "Caution/Affray" in the application as he thought they would know. On his interview day he turned in the original police report, but isn't sure they saw it when it was handed to the second window. The officer said she was happy on all counts except for this.

 

Has anyone had this experience? We already contacted the ACRO and have forwarded the permission for the embassy to speak to them and the embassy replied "Many thanks". I am speaking to my local senators office today as well for advice!

 

This has been such a long and exhausting journey, we have been together for almost four years now and long distance for two. We are scared now, because it is completely out of our control.

 

Any advice is appreciated.

 

Rosie

[MeghanK 629]

Did you submit an actual official police certificate from ACRO (from here) or just an original police report he received at the time of the incident?

[Rosiek1 0]

Hi @MeghanK thank you for replying.

 

We submitted the ACRO police certification - one that says "NO LIVE TRACE" and we submitted the original police report. The only thing we didnt submit was the SAR (Subject Access Request) because we thought between the two documents that we would have enough information for them.

 

I'm starting to think they didn't see the original document for supporting evidence...

[MeghanK 629]

3 minutes ago, Rosiek1 said:

Hi @MeghanK thank you for replying.

 

We submitted the ACRO police certification - one that says "NO LIVE TRACE" and we submitted the original police report. The only thing we didnt submit was the SAR (Subject Access Request) because we thought between the two documents that we would have enough information for them.

 

I'm starting to think they didn't see the original document for supporting evidence...

Ugh, weird   I assume he hasn't lived anywhere else where he'd need a cert from? Maybe they did miss it or something because it *seems like* that's all you should need, especially since it's no live trace. Or maybe you just caught the officer on a bad day. If you haven't already, maybe just a call to them to double check they did see the ACRO cert & resubmitting all of that to FPU as well.

 

Either way, seems like you're covering every base you possibly can going forward so hopefully all will be alright! Just an extra little pain in the butt. If you're not hiding anything, they will see that, and you'll be good to go. Try not to worry 

[Rosiek1 0]

1 minute ago, MeghanK said:

Ugh, weird   I assume he hasn't lived anywhere else where he'd need a cert from? Maybe they did miss it or something because it *seems like* that's all you should need, especially since it's no live trace. Or maybe you just caught the officer on a bad day. If you haven't already, maybe just a call to them to double check they did see the ACRO cert & resubmitting all of that to FPU as well.

 

Either way, seems like you're covering every base you possibly can going forward so hopefully all will be alright! Just an extra little pain in the butt. If you're not hiding anything, they will see that, and you'll be good to go. Try not to worry 

Thank you for the kind words! It's funny, because the officer approved two people in front of him within five minutes! James (my fiance) had so much prepared for proof of relationship and they asked him about two questions and didn't look at it! He lived in Australia for a year and provided a clean police certificate just in case.

 

Do you think it would look bad on us to call them to double check, or perhaps email them back? I know it's a thin line to looking too desperate.

 

phew!

[MeghanK 629]

3 minutes ago, Rosiek1 said:

Thank you for the kind words! It's funny, because the officer approved two people in front of him within five minutes! James (my fiance) had so much prepared for proof of relationship and they asked him about two questions and didn't look at it! He lived in Australia for a year and provided a clean police certificate just in case.

 

Do you think it would look bad on us to call them to double check, or perhaps email them back? I know it's a thin line to looking too desperate.

 

phew!

Of course! Haha, if you prepare it, they never look at it, if you don't, they need it. Seems like that's how it always goes based on stories here

 

I don't think there's *any* reason whatsoever it'd look bad to call, not desperate at all - just thorough!  You're probably up against people who call multiple times a day to be honest, haha. 

[yuna628 9,677]

ACRO instructions basically advise that if you have 'no live trace' coming up on your PC, that you are always pretty much going to need to also order and submit the SAR and for London that should be brought as well as any other relevant documents to the case. The SAR kind of will or won't confirm the facts surrounding the case. They aren't going to just take the fiancé's word for it.

[Rosiek1 0]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

ACRO instructions basically advise that if you have 'no live trace' coming up on your PC, that you are always pretty much going to need to also order and submit the SAR and for London that should be brought as well as any other relevant documents to the case. The SAR kind of will or won't confirm the facts surrounding the case. They aren't going to just take the fiancé's word for it.

I think we thought by him having the police report from 2005, that it would cover it. I seriously don't think they saw it! Regardless, he told them the story and they are going to contact ACRO. When the stories match up, I don't see why things won't go through...

[Rosiek1 0]

I just got off the phone with my local senator's office, and she said that it is very normal for the embassy to want to get a verbal confirmation of what the beneficiary states for his criminal record. Moral of the story is...always do an SAR! 

[Wuozopo 4,293]

7 hours ago, Rosiek1 said:

Moral of the story is...always do an SAR!

.....only If your police certificate says "no live trace". If yours says "no trace", you have no criminal record.

[Newuser4453454 79]

On 6/1/2018 at 2:59 PM, Rosiek1 said:

I just got off the phone with my local senator's office, and she said that it is very normal for the embassy to want to get a verbal confirmation of what the beneficiary states for his criminal record. Moral of the story is...always do an SAR! 

I hate to be a thread necromancer. But how did this turn out for you? I want to know because I feel like I'm going through something very similar right now. We turned in what I thought was a SAR for a No Live Trace on a Failure to Stop After Accident and Minor Road Traffic Offense , but we didn't have a signature or a header with the information on it and it wasn't 'signed off' by anyone. We just printed the emailed PDF that the ACRO sent us, and I think we needed some sort of confirmation on it that the embassy wants to get.

 

Thanks!

Edited December 15, 2018 by NearEthereal