Al-Qaeda's Zawahiri mocks US bill

[Robor007 0]

Personally I didn't care much for Reagan either. Ignoring the fact that his adminstration sold arms to Iran to fund terrorists in Nicaragua - his economic policies can hardly be described as marvellous.

I prefer the stuffed monkey.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

My vote's on Lex Luthor...

[pedroh 21]

Sorry, Bush wasn't wrong for starting the war. He was totaly right.

How so? There is no justification anywhere for attacking another nation without cause and due process. There was neither. As such, it was absolutely wrong no matter how you slice it.

The biggest mistake he made was not giving them enough troops to secure Iraq after we kicked out Saddam.

The biggest mistake was for that Texas Yahoo to pull a John Wayne w/o having any clue. He still doesn't have a clue. He's just going to carry on this war as long as he can to hand the mess to someone else that he is then going to blame for his failure. He'll get another few thousand Americans and multiples of that in Iraqi civilians killed in the process. But he won't care because he and his buddies get rich from all that blood. He's gotten more Americans killed already than the 19 Hijackers on 9/11 . I say it's time he's being held accountable. That's the only cowardness I see in the Dems: They won't impeach Bush's crooked #######.

very very sad, but true

[GaryC 7]

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The biggest mistake was for that Texas Yahoo to pull a John Wayne w/o having any clue. He still doesn't have a clue. He's just going to carry on this war as long as he can to hand the mess to someone else that he is then going to blame for his failure. He'll get another few thousand Americans and multiples of that in Iraqi civilians killed in the process. But he won't care because he and his buddies get rich from all that blood. He's gotten more Americans killed already than the 19 Hijackers on 9/11. I say it's time he's being held accountable. That's the only cowardness I see in the Dems: They won't impeach Bush's crooked #######.

Total BS and you know it. Show me where Bush has made one dime from this war. This is just more of the libs big lies to prop up their already non-existent position. All you have is "Bush lied"! The libs have no other position but to turn tail and run like a bunch of scared children and then blame the whole worlds problems on Bush. So sad that your side is so bereft of ideas and morals. Your side has invested in defeat. If we win in Iraq then the dems loose. So they will do anything they can to insure that we loose. They are playing politics with our national security and our men and women in uniform.

[homesick_american 1]

I just love the way this has been twisted into "Bush lied". He didn't lie at all. The entire world including the coward dems in congress thought Iraq had WMD's but that has been twisted by the libs lies to cover their own butts. I can give you quote after quote of dem leaders saying that Hussain needed to go. They wanted a second vote on authorizing to war so they could go on record as being for it. Most of these guys had the same access to the intel that the president had. Most of the governments in Europe were saying the same thing. No one seems to remember all that. The old adage that the Nazis said is true. You tell a big lie long enough and it soon becomes the truth. The dems have learned that lesson very well. The dems have no honor. They are cowards. They are using our national security as their own political football. I have zero respect for any of them.

I agree that Hussein needed to go. However, we should not have been the ones to create that power vacuum in Iraq because we are now blamed for all of Iraq's problems and morally responsible for cleaning them up. I didn't want that. Nobody asked me.

People went along with Bush because they believed the lies they were told. Bush lied. End of.

[homesick_american 1]

Sorry, Bush wasn't wrong for starting the war. He was totaly right. The biggest mistake he made was not giving them enough troops to secure Iraq after we kicked out Saddam. The dems are cowards. They will eventually get us in a lot more trouble than we are in now. Hiding your head in the sand and pretending that there isn't a threat isn't going to solve anything and will just make matters worse. We are at war. Denying that is just lying to yourself.

You say you would rather have a coward running things? That says a lot about you then. I wish Regan was still president. He would take care of things the way they should have been from the begining. You can take the cowards way out if you like. I would rather be agressive and make a few mistakes along the way than hide under my bed and let the terrorists win.

Hmmm...yeah, because we want the president involved in trading arms to countries that sponsor terrorism. Anyone else remember Iran-Contra? I was only 12 when Ollie North lied through his teeth on national television, but I remember it.

[GaryC 7]

I just love the way this has been twisted into "Bush lied". He didn't lie at all. The entire world including the coward dems in congress thought Iraq had WMD's but that has been twisted by the libs lies to cover their own butts. I can give you quote after quote of dem leaders saying that Hussain needed to go. They wanted a second vote on authorizing to war so they could go on record as being for it. Most of these guys had the same access to the intel that the president had. Most of the governments in Europe were saying the same thing. No one seems to remember all that. The old adage that the Nazis said is true. You tell a big lie long enough and it soon becomes the truth. The dems have learned that lesson very well. The dems have no honor. They are cowards. They are using our national security as their own political football. I have zero respect for any of them.

I agree that Hussein needed to go. However, we should not have been the ones to create that power vacuum in Iraq because we are now blamed for all of Iraq's problems and morally responsible for cleaning them up. I didn't want that. Nobody asked me.

People went along with Bush because they believed the lies they were told. Bush lied. End of.

There were no lies from Bush, only the lies the dems are telling now.

Long before Bush was even elected the dems were calling for Hussein to be removed because of his WMD's Were they lying? Watch this please and tell me again how Bush lied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNgaVtVaiJE&NR

[GaryC 7]

Or take these quotes from the dems. Tell me again how Bush lied. The only lies being told are by the dems.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."

President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."

Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."

Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."

Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."

Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."

Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."

Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."

Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."

Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."

Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...

Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WMD'S AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES??? Right!!!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

[GaryC 7]

Sorry, Bush wasn't wrong for starting the war. He was totaly right. The biggest mistake he made was not giving them enough troops to secure Iraq after we kicked out Saddam. The dems are cowards. They will eventually get us in a lot more trouble than we are in now. Hiding your head in the sand and pretending that there isn't a threat isn't going to solve anything and will just make matters worse. We are at war. Denying that is just lying to yourself.

You say you would rather have a coward running things? That says a lot about you then. I wish Regan was still president. He would take care of things the way they should have been from the begining. You can take the cowards way out if you like. I would rather be agressive and make a few mistakes along the way than hide under my bed and let the terrorists win.

Hmmm...yeah, because we want the president involved in trading arms to countries that sponsor terrorism. Anyone else remember Iran-Contra? I was only 12 when Ollie North lied through his teeth on national television, but I remember it.

Yeah right. How about Clinton giving our missile secrets to N.Korea? Who has put us in greater danger? The libs selective memory is astounding!

[homesick_american 1]

Yeah right. How about Clinton giving our missile secrets to N.Korea? Who has put us in greater danger? The libs selective memory is astounding!

I love how 'wingers assume that just because you're against Bush, you automatically approve of everything Clinton did.

Bush and his administration lied repeatedly to try to tie state-sponsored terrorism against the United States to the Iraqi regime. Nobody here is saying Saddam Hussein was a saint; in fact, the so-called "liberals" were outraged when Hussein gassed the Kurds but the US and UK administrations (Reagan and Thatcher, respectively) didn't do a damned thing. The Republicans' silence was RATHER DAMNING. Then all of a sudden, nearly 20 years later, they realize that what Saddam Hussein did was indeed extremely naughty and decided to pay him back. Ha ha ha. Hilarious.

The Bush administration said they knew he had WMDs and they knew where they were. So far we haven't found a single WMD and in fact, we've pretty much stopped looking for them. I haven't heard the extremely limp "oh, they moved them to Syria" argument in a while either. When Bush said that he knew they had WMDs, that was not true. Hence, it was a lie. You can't spin it any other way.

I'm not pleased with the Democrats who fell into line behind Bush as he rattled sabres in late 2002/early 2003. Whether they believed what he was saying or not, they were complete and utter pu$$ies for supporting him. Don't assume that just because I think Bush is a lying sack of sh!t that I support the Democrats 100%. I don't.

[GaryC 7]

Yeah right. How about Clinton giving our missile secrets to N.Korea? Who has put us in greater danger? The libs selective memory is astounding!

I love how 'wingers assume that just because you're against Bush, you automatically approve of everything Clinton did.

Bush and his administration lied repeatedly to try to tie state-sponsored terrorism against the United States to the Iraqi regime. Nobody here is saying Saddam Hussein was a saint; in fact, the so-called "liberals" were outraged when Hussein gassed the Kurds but the US and UK administrations (Reagan and Thatcher, respectively) didn't do a damned thing. The Republicans' silence was RATHER DAMNING. Then all of a sudden, nearly 20 years later, they realize that what Saddam Hussein did was indeed extremely naughty and decided to pay him back. Ha ha ha. Hilarious.

The Bush administration said they knew he had WMDs and they knew where they were. So far we haven't found a single WMD and in fact, we've pretty much stopped looking for them. I haven't heard the extremely limp "oh, they moved them to Syria" argument in a while either. When Bush said that he knew they had WMDs, that was not true. Hence, it was a lie. You can't spin it any other way.

I'm not pleased with the Democrats who fell into line behind Bush as he rattled sabres in late 2002/early 2003. Whether they believed what he was saying or not, they were complete and utter pu$$ies for supporting him. Don't assume that just because I think Bush is a lying sack of sh!t that I support the Democrats 100%. I don't.

If you bother to watch the video or read the quotes you will see that long before Bush was even running for prez the whole world thought Hussien had WMD's. Most of these people came up with this point of view on their own without any help from Bush. Bush didn't lie. He used the same intel that these people that I posted quotes for did. Bush and the world may have been fooled by bad intel but there were no lies. Please stop trying to support your anti-war position with the lies from the left. If your against the war then that is your right. Just be honest about why your against it and stop spreading the lefts tired old line that Bush lied. He didn't lie but now the dems sure are!

[homesick_american 1]

If you bother to watch the video or read the quotes you will see that long before Bush was even running for prez the whole world thought Hussien had WMD's. Most of these people came up with this point of view on their own without any help from Bush. Bush didn't lie. He used the same intel that these people that I posted quotes for did. Bush and the world may have been fooled by bad intel but there were no lies. Please stop trying to support your anti-war position with the lies from the left. If your against the war then that is your right. Just be honest about why your against it and stop spreading the lefts tired old line that Bush lied. He didn't lie but now the dems sure are!

I'm at work right now and youtube is banned, so save the high-and-mighty act.

You haven't convinced me that Bush didn't lie. The fact that other politicians lied, were ignorant, or bought into the lies does not change the fact that Bush as president is ultimately responsible for the decisions he makes and must be held accountable for the consequences of his decisions. I seem to recall a President being impeached by a Republican congress for the comparably innocuous offense of lying about having received oral sex. Surely this is worse. I've never seen a president in my life more deserving of impeachment. Fortunately the Democrats aren't nearly as petty as the Republicans.

As for Bush lying...this is a pretty damning piece right here, just one of tens of thousands available on the internet:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=34930

I understand denial can be a very powerful thing, but you're angry at the wrong people. You should be angry with Bush, the man who abused your trust.

[GaryC 7]

Sorry, not buying it. That is just a hit piece by the left. Bush didn't lie. The dems are. I don't expect to change your mind about it but I will always counter the hypocrisy of the left when I see it.

Read this again very carefully. This has nothing to do with Bush. EVERYONE thought Iraq had WMD's before Bush was prez.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."

Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."

Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."

Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

You can't lay this at Bush's feet alone. Everyone in Washington thought there were WMD's. Stop spreading the lefts attempt to back out of what they said and thought. Bush didn't lie!

[homesick_american 1]

You can't lay this at Bush's feet alone. Everyone in Washington thought there were WMD's. Stop spreading the lefts attempt to back out of what they said and thought. Bush didn't lie!

The hell I can't. The Clinton administration obviously stated that Iraq had WMDs. Clearly, they were wrong. However, I don't blame them for this fiasco. Do you want to know why? Come close, I'll whisper it to you.

They didn't invade Iraq. Bush did.

This is Bush's war. He is 100% responsible for the consequences of his actions. I thought you 'wingers LIKED personal responsibility. Seems to me like you're trying to lay this at everyone else's feet BESIDES Bush...the guy in charge when the war started in 2003. It's kind of pathetic, really. And you call the LEFT hypocrites. I'm sorry, but pretty much everything you said in that last post smacked of hypocrisy.

Also, I love how you assume that I'm some tree-hugging, MoveOn.org-loving leftie. I'm not. At this point I'd say my vote is up for grabs in 2008. I lean Democrat, but that doesn't mean I always vote for them. Get a grip.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Bush lied. Stamping your feet and saying "no he didn't" doesn't change the facts.

See ET's point above. He's pointed this out before and its gone unanswered / unaddressed - every single time. An Inconvenient Truth perhaps.....?

I just love the way this has been twisted into "Bush lied". He didn't lie at all.

One name: Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi.

Look it up. This thug was more trustworthy to Bush than the DIA. Either that or Bush lied his fcuking ####### off to get his war. Take your pick. Your boy looks extremely bad either way.

Then there's the Downing Street memo (also never addressed - my guess because the story got next to no coverage in the US - a great example of the so-called "liberal" media at work) - which showed that the British Government (AKA the US' biggest support in this) were of the opinion that "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

There's also the small matter of the two "intelligence" dossiers released by the Blair Govt. One included the infamous 45 minute claim, the other, the Dodgy Dossier, was plagiarised wholesale from university theses available on the internet.

What about Joe Wilson? Guess we don't even need to mention him seeing as he's been written off by war supporters as "having an agenda". Doesn't change the fact that the claims made about Yellowcake were inaccurate and based on forged documents.