Starbucks: You don’t have to buy coffee to sit in our cafes or use our restrooms

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

56 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Common sense would tell you that there is a difference between residential and commercial real estate. 

 

When I used to work for a cheesesteak joint.. yes, we used to let random people use our bathroom. 

Did you let homeless people hang out at your tables and not order anything ? Because this goes way beyond using a bathroom 

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

4 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

It is NOT hard to tell either a homeless guy or a drug addict or someone begging for money that lives in a halfway house. Trust me where I lived at in CA we had a halfway houses running up and down Colorado Blvd in Pasadena and a City College to throw in there as well. So to say that Starbucks is busy is a understatement.

 

I know why they are changing their policy and what happened to those two men were wrong flat out. But you can seriously point out a homeless guy.

Heavy on the stereotypes. 

No wonder why you approve of discrimination. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

or common sense. Guess its a perspective thing. 

 

Just curious do you let random people come in your house and use the bathroom and hang ?

 

  Why compare private homes to a place of business? It just illustrates how irrational the logic has become over this. 

 

  Personally, if I owned a business that allowed public access, I would let people use the restroom. Whether neighboring businesses chose to do this or not is up to them. If I saw suspicious activity I would notify the police. If I at some point felt the policy was being abused, I would change it to a lock system and reserve the use for customers. Not that hard really. 

 

  If I owned a business that had restricted entry (ie. restaurant with reserved seating), I would not allow public use of the restrooms as only paying customers are allowed in.

 

  

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

5 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Did you let homeless people hang out at your tables and not order anything ? Because this goes way beyond using a bathroom 

You mean people in general, hanging out at our tables and deciding not to order.. 

 

We got this all the time. 

Part of running a food business. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

3 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Heavy on the stereotypes. 

No wonder why you approve of discrimination. 

I have never approved of discrimination but when you get accosted all the time while walking down the street it gets old.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Why compare private homes to a place of business? It just illustrates how irrational the logic has become over this. 

 

  Personally, if I owned a business that allowed public access, I would let people use the restroom. Whether neighboring businesses chose to do this or not is up to them. If I saw suspicious activity I would notify the police. If I at some point felt the policy was being abused, I would change it to a lock system and reserve the use for customers. Not that hard really. 

 

  If I owned a business that had restricted entry (ie. restaurant with reserved seating), I would not allow public use of the restrooms as only paying customers are allowed in.

 

  

would you allow someone that smelled like a goats butt and reeked of urine and alcohol sit at one of your tables all day 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

You mean people in general, hanging out at our tables and deciding not to order.. 

 

We got this all the time. 

Part of running a food business. 

Wow heavy on the stereotypes aren't you.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

would you allow someone that smelled like a goats butt and reeked of urine and alcohol sit at one of your tables all day 

 

    First, why have you been smelling goat butts? I'm not sure what that smells like.

 

    Second, if I had a restaurant, the requirement would be that someone at the table orders something. How long they take to finish would only be an issue if other customers are waiting to eat. If the place is relatively empty, I don't care how long people remain after they eat. I would have a visible policy in that regard.

  

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

and I will add. I think its going to bite them in the buttocks, but it's their business and I fully support their right to operate it as they see fit .

 

The same way I think the government should not be able to enforce smoking rules in a private run business. 

Let people vote with their money. Personally I dont think I would ever choose a smoking restaurant 

2 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    First, why have you been smelling goat butts? I'm not sure what that smells like.

 

    Second, if I had a restaurant, the requirement would be that someone at the table orders something. How long they take to finish would only be an issue if other customers are waiting to eat. If the place is relatively empty, I don't care how long people remain after they eat. I would have a visible policy in that regard.

  

You on a roll Bro.  Another good one 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

11 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

and I will add. I think its going to bite them in the buttocks, but it's their business and I fully support their right to operate it as they see fit .

 

The same way I think the government should not be able to enforce smoking rules in a private run business. 

Let people vote with their money. Personally I dont think I would ever choose a smoking restaurant 

 

  If they follow their own policies they should be OK. The second part to all this is employees need to report suspicious activity. I don't think public restrooms are the issue America needs to be focusing on. Rampant abuse of drugs is something we need to get more serious about. They should address that if it occurs.

 

  If I suspected illegal activity on the premises, my first step would be to cultivate a better relationship with local law enforcement. Something like free coffee and doughnuts for on duty officers shouldn't be too hard for a Starbucks to pull off.

Edited May 24, 2018 by Steeleballz

[yuna628 9,711]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Why I want to be inclusive of homeless and drug addicts while I am taking to take a piss?

Well... walk around town, where we have a very high homeless population, and you'll find them everywhere. In fact, you'll commonly find the grocery stores will allow them to linger in the cart entryway for shelter and certainly the local fast food places (bar CfilA because they don't put up with riffraff loitering, but they have no problem letting anyone walk in and use the bathroom) allow homeless to stay inside pretty much all day. Some of them even offer food. Dunkin Donuts and McD's is their most common hangout in town. If they have a little bit of money they can get food, use the bathroom, and use wifi all day. But otherwise no one is going to bother them.

54 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Because I am a fine upstanding tax paying citizen.

But he did raise a point. Sometimes we can't tell a 'fine upstanding and tax paying' citizen just by looking at them. Anyone can be a drunkard or addict and appear fairly normal at times.

37 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Not upstanding citizens.

 

I think it is unfair to classify homeless as not upstanding citizens. Not every homeless person is one that is a criminal or an addict. Many are veterans, some have some needs, and others have fallen on hard times. I think... well in some respects some compassion is needed. If it's a public place a bathroom is the least to be offered to someone. Homeless or otherwise. We all gotta go.

20 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Did you let homeless people hang out at your tables and not order anything ? Because this goes way beyond using a bathroom 

They do in town.

10 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

would you allow someone that smelled like a goats butt and reeked of urine and alcohol sit at one of your tables all day 

Common at bars and casinos come to think of it.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

10 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  If they follow their own policies they should be OK. The second part to all this is employees need to report suspicious activity. I don't think public restrooms are the issue America needs to be focusing on. Rampant abuse of drugs is something we need to get more serious about. They should address that if it occurs.

 

  If I suspected illegal activity on the premises, my first step would be to cultivate a better relationship with local law enforcement. Something like free coffee and doughnuts for on duty officers shouldn't be too hard for a Starbucks to pull off.

Yes bathrooms have gotten a lot of attention in America as of late haven't they 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Well... walk around town, where we have a very high homeless population, and you'll find them everywhere. In fact, you'll commonly find the grocery stores will allow them to linger in the cart entryway for shelter and certainly the local fast food places (bar CfilA because they don't put up with riffraff loitering, but they have no problem letting anyone walk in and use the bathroom) allow homeless to stay inside pretty much all day. Some of them even offer food. Dunkin Donuts and McD's is their most common hangout in town. If they have a little bit of money they can get food, use the bathroom, and use wifi all day. But otherwise no one is going to bother them.

But he did raise a point. Sometimes we can't tell a 'fine upstanding and tax paying' citizen just by looking at them. Anyone can be a drunkard or addict and appear fairly normal at times.

I think it is unfair to classify homeless as not upstanding citizens. Not every homeless person is one that is a criminal or an addict. Many are veterans, some have some needs, and others have fallen on hard times. I think... well in some respects some compassion is needed. If it's a public place a bathroom is the least to be offered to someone. Homeless or otherwise. We all gotta go.

They do in town.

Common at bars and casinos come to think of it.

as a side bar, someone being a veteran does not disqualify them from being a bad person 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Yes bathrooms have gotten a lot of attention in America as of late haven't they 

 

   More than they deserve, really.

[yuna628 9,711]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

as a side bar, someone being a veteran does not disqualify them from being a bad person 

Of course not. But neither being a veteran or being homeless automatically qualifies one to assume they are bad people.