Hillary Clinton: Santa Fe School Shooting Should Inspire ‘Soul Searching,’ Gun Control

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 hours ago, Sonea said:

An evaluation of the implementation of media guidelines has been conducted in Austria.17,18,23 Following implementation of media guidelines for news reporting by the Austrian Association for Suicide Prevention in 1987, a significant decline in suicide rates occurred within the first year (7% decline). In the 4-year period following implementation, the suicide rate decreased nearly 20%, with an even sharper decline (75%) in subway suicides (a particular focus of the media guidelines).

 

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/hs/medical/bioethics/nyspi/material/SuicideAndTheMedia.pdf

 

 

Mass shootings are a contagion. There is a positive feedback loop that occurs after a shooting. In the last decade we have had two such loops. The first lasted about a year and a half (2012/2013). We are still in the second loop that started in 2015. 

 

If we act similar to Vienna with a blackout of the attacker then I think we can break the current loop and stop future ones. I'm not saying that will end attacks, but they should statistically be less frequent and more spread-out.  In this case I'm always surprised  when they name them since they are minors.

 

Heck US media is willing to blackout someone running on to the pitch at game...wonder why they do that?....to minimise future fans doing the same.

 

Awesome post and dead on accurate.. But you know , they got to sell ads

[bcking 3,157]

3 hours ago, Sonea said:

An evaluation of the implementation of media guidelines has been conducted in Austria.17,18,23 Following implementation of media guidelines for news reporting by the Austrian Association for Suicide Prevention in 1987, a significant decline in suicide rates occurred within the first year (7% decline). In the 4-year period following implementation, the suicide rate decreased nearly 20%, with an even sharper decline (75%) in subway suicides (a particular focus of the media guidelines).

 

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/hs/medical/bioethics/nyspi/material/SuicideAndTheMedia.pdf

 

 

Mass shootings are a contagion. There is a positive feedback loop that occurs after a shooting. In the last decade we have had two such loops. The first lasted about a year and a half (2012/2013). We are still in the second loop that started in 2015. 

 

If we act similar to Vienna with a blackout of the attacker then I think we can break the current loop and stop future ones. I'm not saying that will end attacks, but they should statistically be less frequent and more spread-out.  In this case I'm always surprised  when they name them since they are minors.

 

Heck US media is willing to blackout someone running on to the pitch at game...wonder why they do that?....to minimise future fans doing the same.

 

The PDF you linked is about suicides, not mass shootings.

 

Did Austria do similar media guidelines with mass shootings to show that there is a similar effect?

[Sonea 138]

42 minutes ago, bcking said:

The PDF you linked is about suicides, not mass shootings.

 

Did Austria do similar media guidelines with mass shootings to show that there is a similar effect?

Both suicides and mass shooting have the same underline contagion spread by media coverage. On a timeline you can see very distinct clusters starting in the late 1990s. Most clusters last about a year or less. But like I've said we are in one long cluster that started in 2015 and has yet to end.

[Sonea 138]

27 minutes ago, Sonea said:

Both suicides and mass shooting have the same underline contagion spread by media coverage. On a timeline you can see very distinct clusters starting in the late 1990s. Most clusters last about a year or less. But like I've said we are in one long cluster that started in 2015 and has yet to end.

By the way, it looks like a couple of media sources are starting to follow the "do not name" premise. Hopefully pressure on sources that do not will get them in line.

[bcking 3,157]

1 hour ago, Sonea said:

Both suicides and mass shooting have the same underline contagion spread by media coverage. On a timeline you can see very distinct clusters starting in the late 1990s. Most clusters last about a year or less. But like I've said we are in one long cluster that started in 2015 and has yet to end.

That's fine but just to be clear, the study you linked to only looked at suicides.

 

It has interesting results, but it still has an applicability problem since it wasn't specifically on the issue in question.

[Póg mo 1,749]

On 5/19/2018 at 12:20 PM, jg121783 said:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/18/hillary-clinton-santa-fe-school-shooting-should-inspire-soul-searching-gun-control/

 

If anyone can give an example of one criminal who willingly complies with gun laws I will fully get on board with the gun control bandwagon.

Where are criminals buying their guns from? Seeing as law abiding gun owners aren't doing the selling, how then does happen that they are able to buy guns? Are there criminal gun outlets or are law abiding gun owners just not very good at keeping their guns secure?

[Boiler 45,482]

2 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Where are criminals buying their guns from? Seeing as law abiding gun owners aren't doing the selling, how then does happen that they are able to buy guns? Are there criminal gun outlets or are law abiding gun owners just not very good at keeping their guns secure?

Obama sold quite a few. Or did he give them away?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

42 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Where are criminals buying their guns from? Seeing as law abiding gun owners aren't doing the selling, how then does happen that they are able to buy guns? Are there criminal gun outlets or are law abiding gun owners just not very good at keeping their guns secure?

Not sure if you are trying to be funny, or asking seriously.

Criminals can’t buy guns legally, so they either:
 

A) Steal them

2) Buy stolen guns

 

And no one (except you) ever said that law abiding gun owners aren’t selling guns.  Multiple thousands of private sales happen every day.  Doesn’t mean the sale is to a criminal; also doesn’t mean that the sale ISN’T to a criminal.  Think I about it... If you see 100 people in one day, do YOU know whether or not they are a “criminal”?  And are all criminals forbidden from owning/purchasing a gun?  Are there good, law-abiding citizens who are forbidden from owning guns?

[Sonea 138]

1 hour ago, bcking said:

That's fine but just to be clear, the study you linked to only looked at suicides.

 

It has interesting results, but it still has an applicability problem since it wasn't specifically on the issue in question.

Thats because no one has tried it yet for mass shootings. Lets be clear though - mass shooting clusters look very similar to suicide clusters statistically. If the cause is related, the cure will likely work. We just need a media with the courage and the desire to put money second and stop naming the attackers.

[bcking 3,157]

Just now, Sonea said:

Thats because no one has tried it yet for mass shootings. Lets be clear though - mass shooting clusters look very similar to suicide clusters statistically. If the cause is related, the cure will likely work. We just need a media with the courage and the desire to put money second and stop naming the attackers.

What do you mean by "they look very similar statistically"?

 

What statistics are used to compare the clusters?

[Sonea 138]

57 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Where are criminals buying their guns from? Seeing as law abiding gun owners aren't doing the selling, how then does happen that they are able to buy guns? Are there criminal gun outlets or are law abiding gun owners just not very good at keeping their guns secure?

Primarily through straw purchases and illegally manufactured guns.

 

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, Póg mo said:

Where are criminals buying their guns from? Seeing as law abiding gun owners aren't doing the selling, how then does happen that they are able to buy guns? Are there criminal gun outlets or are law abiding gun owners just not very good at keeping their guns secure?

Probably the same place they buy crack

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

10 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Probably the same place they buy crack

We should outlaw crack.

[Boiler 45,482]

7 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

We should outlaw crack.

Is it black?

[Póg mo 1,749]

1 hour ago, Sonea said:

Primarily through straw purchases and illegally manufactured guns.

 

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

Yup, seems like it's way too easy for legally purchased guns to used by criminals. Longer waiting period to purchase a gun, along with mandatory gun registration. I'm sure law abiding gun owners would not object to making it more difficult for criminals to purchase guns.