Hillary Clinton: Santa Fe School Shooting Should Inspire ‘Soul Searching,’ Gun Control

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Just now, Boiler said:

We Should ban anything thieves might want to steal.

 

Simple.

No the opposite.

 

Since thieves are going to steal no matter what, why bother making stealing illegal? They won't obey the laws.

 

One of the things that I would hope all responsible gun owners would get behind is laws regarding safe gun storage. The "common sense" phrase gets thrown around a lot but here I think it truly fits. If you are a responsible gun owner you should already be storing them safely, so why wouldn't you support the requirement?

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39 minutes ago, bcking said:

No the opposite.

 

Since thieves are going to steal no matter what, why bother making stealing illegal? They won't obey the laws.

Pure MDL

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7 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Pure MDL

I'm just applying his reasoning to thievery.

 

Just because people who use guns to kill break gun control laws doesn't we shouldn't have them.

 

As I already said Sante Fe for me highlights a major gap in the laws about safe storage and care of your weapons.

 

You aren't a responsible gun owner if you store your guns in a way that your 17 year old son can take them without your consent. That should be punishable and safe storage should be required by law. It wouldn't effect the responsible gun owners (they should already be doing it), and it would help secure the weapons.

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3 minutes ago, bcking said:

I'm just applying his reasoning to thievery.

 

Just because people who use guns to kill break gun control laws doesn't we shouldn't have them.

Hmmm, I need a translation.

 

So we should not ban things people might want to steal. Seems fair enough. 

 

Perhaps focus on the criminals and not the non criminals might be a start.

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No additional gun control law would prevent another school shooting tomorrow, next week, next year, or 5 years from now......there is only one way to quickly  implement effective measures to protect our children.

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1 minute ago, Boiler said:

Hmmm, I need a translation.

 

So we should not ban things people might want to steal. Seems fair enough. 

 

Perhaps focus on the criminals and not the non criminals might be a start.

I'm saying we shouldn't make stealing illegal, based on the original reasoning in the first post.

 

If thieves are going to steal whether it is illegsl or not, why bother making it illegal?

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1 minute ago, missileman said:

No additional gun control law would prevent another school shooting tomorrow, next week, next year, or 5 years from now......there is only one way to quickly  implement effective measures to protect our children.

What had protected schoolchildren from gun violence in Australia and the UK for the last couple of decades? 

 

I'm pretty sure they don't have armed guards or single entrances at all of their schools. Children seem pretty safe there.

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Just now, bcking said:

What had protected schoolchildren from gun violence in Australia and the UK for the last couple of decades? 

 

I'm pretty sure they don't have armed guards or single entrances at all of their schools. Children seem pretty safe there.

That is irrelevant to the situation here.  Name one additional gun control law which would prevent another school shooting next month..

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Just now, missileman said:

That is irrelevant to the situation here.  Name one additional gun control law which would prevent another school shooting next month..

How is that irrelevant?

 

What are you proposing to keep our children safe? Armed guards? Armed teachers? Metal detectors?

 

Why don't other first world countries need those things to protect children? Why do we need MORE guns for protection when other places get by with less?

 

I get sick of trying to explain our situation to my wife's family. It makes no sense to them (or her, or me honestly). America just seems like a horribly violent, dangerous place for children...and for no real reason.

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6 minutes ago, bcking said:

What had protected schoolchildren from gun violence in Australia and the UK for the last couple of decades? 

 

I'm pretty sure they don't have armed guards or single entrances at all of their schools. Children seem pretty safe there.

As I said we had a shooting range at school, and this did not happen. So a very good question but you have come to the wrong answer.

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Just now, Boiler said:

As I said we had a shooting range at school, and this did not happen. So a very good question but you have come to the wrong answer.

So what is your answer?

 

Instead of just saying something is wrong, provide an alternative otherwise you are doing nothing to stop it.

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

So what is your answer?

 

Instead of just saying something is wrong, provide an alternative otherwise you are doing nothing to stop it.

A few suggestions that might work have been suggested by others, I tend to see simplistic 'solutions' which seemed designed mainly to piss off other people not involved in the issue, rather than actually addressing it, which is often and certainly is in this case a much longer and complicated process.

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8 minutes ago, Boiler said:

A few suggestions that might work have been suggested by others, I tend to see simplistic 'solutions' which seemed designed mainly to piss off other people not involved in the issue, rather than actually addressing it, which is often and certainly is in this case a much longer and complicated process.

I agree a true solution is a complicated, long process. However, these school shootings have becoming more and more frequent over the last several years and I've seen very little (if any progress) to any real solution. We cry, we pray, we send wishes, and then we forget about it. That isn't fixing the problem either.

 

I support some of the suggestions I've seen in the other thread (I haven't been able to keep up with every post in that thread since I'm at work this weekend). The single entrance idea (with multiple emergency exits) makes sense to me. Even my wife yesterday said "Why don't we just put up metal detectors at every school and create checkpoints?" If it keeps our children safe I wouldn't be opposed to turning schools into airports. 

 

While those sorts of things may help, I'd hope you would agree that it's sad that we even need to consider those sorts of things. Why do we need to work so hard to keep our children safe? What is so messed up in America that we have gotten to this point? None of my wife's friends are afraid of their children being murdered when they reach school age and they have to send them to school. All of my wife's coworkers here in Houston on Friday were talking about their fears and worries about their children.

 

It's just a sad state we are in and I don't understand how we got here. This was the first one to happen close to home, and while my wife has been living here. She was already wanting to plan to return to the UK before our kids enter secondary school. Now there is no doubt in her mind. America is supposed to be such a great country, and yet parents have to fear for their children's lives and children need to practice "active shooter" emergencies in school as if it's an earthquake drill. That's messed up.

 

 

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2 hours ago, bcking said:

That is an unrealistic expectation.

 

We have many laws that criminals don't "willingly comply" with but still make it harder for the criminals to do what they do.

 

Heck you support stricter laws regarding illegal immigration. By your reasoning - Criminal illegals aren't going to abide by our "laws". They'll just find ways around them. So what's the point of having any laws?

 

Murder is illegal, but clearly murderers don't "abide" by that. Might as well remove that law as well?

In regards to illegal aliens 

Makes no sense becuse illegal immigration is already illegal, we support enforcing the laws already on the book and more deterants at the border. 

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1 hour ago, Boiler said:

As I said we had a shooting range at school, and this did not happen. So a very good question but you have come to the wrong answer.

And I took a shooting course in college. Nobody was harmed.