8 killed in shooting at Texas' Santa Fe High School, CNN affiliates report

[TBoneTX 45,159]

The Lt. Gov. of Texas, Dan Patrick, was interviewed on TV on the night of the shootings.  He said that he's open to any and all ideas (except for Second Amendment infringements) and suggested some ideas of his own.

 

One was to limit the number of open-access portals to schools.  There are too many unlocked, unmonitored doors for entry by anyone.  Have fewer.

 

Another is to have the kids pass by someone who sees and notes them as they enter.  Just this simple scrutiny might scare borderline assaulters from trying anything.  In large schools, perhaps stagger starting times for classes so that 1,400 kids aren't jammed up in line to get into one entrance at the same time.

 

These make sense and are do-able.

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5 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

The Lt. Gov. of Texas, Dan Patrick, was interviewed on TV on the night of the shootings.  He said that he's open to any and all ideas (except for Second Amendment infringements) and suggested some ideas of his own.

 

One was to limit the number of open-access portals to schools.  There are too many unlocked, unmonitored doors for entry by anyone.  Have fewer.

 

Another is to have the kids pass by someone who sees and notes them as they enter.  Just this simple scrutiny might scare borderline assaulters from trying anything.  In large schools, perhaps stagger starting times for classes so that 1,400 kids aren't jammed up in line to get into one entrance at the same time.

 

These make sense and are do-able.

A lot of people jumped on the "door control" bit and made fun of it. I just don't think he explained it very well. I saw an article talking with a fire marshall about it. It's not about closing down doors, it's about making less entrances and more emergency exits. Like pretty much any commercial property. There is usually one entrance, but side exits that have alarms attached to them.

 

It's not a bad idea. Of course it wouldn't solve our problems but it would potentially help mitigate it at least somewhat. 

 

Even if we got school shootings down to 0, the sad truth is most likely if we don't actually solve the core issues those people will just end up going somewhere else. A movie theatre, a crowded street, the local "hang out" for the kids at school that they hate.

 

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My middle school staggered start/end times. It wasn't for this reason 20 years ago, but they did it. People started from like 8 to 9:30 and finished like 3 to 4:30. Something like that.

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Reading articles about how it went down, it just seems like no one could have seen it coming.  Good student,  quiet.  No record with the police.  What made him snap?

 

Used buckshot.  Good call for up-close work.   More efficient and lethal than an AR-15, unfortunately.   Knew what he was doing, right up to the point of using the pistol on himself.  Chickened out.  Here's hoping we can gain some insight on what is an otherwise senseless spree.

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9 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

The Lt. Gov. of Texas, Dan Patrick, was interviewed on TV on the night of the shootings.  He said that he's open to any and all ideas (except for Second Amendment infringements) and suggested some ideas of his own.

 

One was to limit the number of open-access portals to schools.  There are too many unlocked, unmonitored doors for entry by anyone.  Have fewer.

 

Another is to have the kids pass by someone who sees and notes them as they enter.  Just this simple scrutiny might scare borderline assaulters from trying anything.  In large schools, perhaps stagger starting times for classes so that 1,400 kids aren't jammed up in line to get into one entrance at the same time.

 

These make sense and are do-able.

I think door control and closer monitoring make sense.....as part of broader plan.  I think there still has to be a fall-back plan for immediate intervention when these killers get inside.......something faster than waiting for police response......just my opinion.

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8 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Reading articles about how it went down, it just seems like no one could have seen it coming.  Good student,  quiet.  No record with the police.  What made him snap?

 

Used buckshot.  Good call for up-close work.   More efficient and lethal than an AR-15, unfortunately.   Knew what he was doing, right up to the point of using the pistol on himself.  Chickened out.  Here's hoping we can gain some insight on what is an otherwise senseless spree.

and there lies a big issue.....banning AR-15s only forces the killers to change tools.....which can be more deadly.

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28 minutes ago, missileman said:

and there lies a big issue.....banning AR-15s only forces the killers to change tools.....which can be more deadly.

Exactly. The whole assualt weapons stupidty is nothing more than liberals, media and the sheeple that follow them using a tragedy to push gun control.

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44 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Exactly. The whole assualt weapons stupidty is nothing more than liberals, media and the sheeple that follow them using a tragedy to push gun control.

Something which bothers me is the reluctance of the left to even consider applying a tourniquet to the school shooting problem.  Their solution of stricter gun control is simply another "feel good" move which really has no effect on the immediate need.......

I do think tighter storage laws would be OK,  although I don't think it would remedy the school shooting question.

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3 hours ago, missileman said:

I think door control and closer monitoring make sense.....as part of broader plan.  I think there still has to be a fall-back plan for immediate intervention when these killers get inside.......something faster than waiting for police response......just my opinion.

 

  There were 2 armed resource officers at the school. What would your exact plan be, and who would pay for it? I agree with you actually, a larger LE presence is probably necessary in most schools at this point, but  I'm not sure if you are familiar with the response taxpayers have had when it comes to school funding. The majority of people don't even want to pay for what they already get in schools. 

 

  

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4 hours ago, IDWAF said:

Reading articles about how it went down, it just seems like no one could have seen it coming.  Good student,  quiet.  No record with the police.  What made him snap?

 

Used buckshot.  Good call for up-close work.   More efficient and lethal than an AR-15, unfortunately.   Knew what he was doing, right up to the point of using the pistol on himself.  Chickened out.  Here's hoping we can gain some insight on what is an otherwise senseless spree.

 

  Parents are the first line of defense. Most of us don't want to see this happening with our kids, but there were definitely warning signs in his social media postings. 

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1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  There were 2 armed resource officers at the school. What would your exact plan be, and who would pay for it? I agree with you actually, a larger LE presence is probably necessary in most schools at this point, but  I'm not sure if you are familiar with the response taxpayers have had when it comes to school funding. The majority of people don't even want to pay for what they already get in schools. 

 

  

I guess it all comes down to how expenditures are presented.  I don't know of any taxpayers who would balk at tighter security for schools.  We pay for screening at airports.  Why can't we afford better security at schools?

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9 minutes ago, missileman said:

I guess it all comes down to how expenditures are presented.  I don't know of any taxpayers who would balk at tighter security for schools.  We pay for screening at airports.  Why can't we afford better security at schools?

It is likely far more expensive to screen and protect every school like we do airports. A city may have one airport but dozens of schools.

 

Also do airlines pay at all for security in airports? Where does the money come from. I doubt it all comes from public funds entirely (I may be wrong though). Flying is a business that makes money.

 

We can't pay teachers enough as it is, it would take far more money to properly secure every school.

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2 minutes ago, bcking said:

It is likely far more expensive to screen and protect every school like we do airports. A city may have one airport but dozens of schools.

So do nothing.

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3 minutes ago, Boiler said:

So do nothing.

No I'm just being honest.

 

We have to come up with the money to pay for it. More taxes? Less military spending? Take your pick.

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2 minutes ago, bcking said:

No I'm just being honest.

 

We have to come up with the money to pay for it. More taxes? Less military spending? Take your pick.

Not sure CNN etc have covered either option.