Bringing wife's parents here in order to get her little sister here

[chefaleslie 5]

2 hours ago, Jojo92122 said:

Sham adoptions for the sole purpose of immigration benefits do not work.  The US specifically prohibits this type of trickery.

Seriously, the US Government is not stupid.  She will treat her younger sister as a younger sister and never as her daughter when both of their parents are alive.  The only reason for the adoption is to immigrate.

I was assuming if she wanted to have her Minor Sisters immigrate without a parent then she would be the parent so why not at that point adopt the child. Many american siblings act as parents to their minor sibling, this would be essentially the same not trickery. 

[jyaku 138]

1 minute ago, Jojo92122 said:

Really?  How can the sister be added as a derivative?  

 

I was referring to income requirement.

[jyaku 138]

For multiple people

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5 minutes ago, chefaleslie said:

I was assuming if she wanted to have her Minor Sisters immigrate without a parent then she would be the parent so why not at that point adopt the child. Many american siblings act as parents to their minor sibling, this would be essentially the same not trickery. 

No, it's not.  How many American siblings adopt their younger siblings to give them immigration benefits when the adopted child has two living parents?

Please research the limitations on adoptions and being able to get an immigrant benefit.

Why not at this point adopt the child?  Because the US Government says that this adopted child with two living parents is not allowed to be petitioned.

 

2 minutes ago, jyaku said:

For multiple people

You are still wrong.  

Edited May 18, 2018 by Jojo92122

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21 minutes ago, chefaleslie said:

I was assuming if she wanted to have her Minor Sisters immigrate without a parent then she would be the parent so why not at that point adopt the child. Many american siblings act as parents to their minor sibling, this would be essentially the same not trickery. 

You can be a legal parent via adoption, but again, adoption and being eligible for an immigration benefit are separate issues. An adoption is not going to enable the sister to qualify for any immigration benefits due to that adoption in this circumstance. It doesn't matter of the adoption itself is trickery or not...it doesn't meet the requirements for a visa.

 

19 minutes ago, jyaku said:

I was referring to income requirement.

18 minutes ago, jyaku said:

For multiple people

That's incorrect in how it works. Each intending immigrant adds to your household size, but that does not scale linearly. It's roughly about $5500/year more required for each person in the household size. https://www.uscis.gov/system/files_force/files/form/i-864p.pdf

 

[Amhara 460]

So there are two people posting the actual income guidelines and being told they are wrong?  Hmmm...

 

Here's my two cents: Bring over one parent, then when eligible, they can sponsor the sister.  Plan B is to create a healthy savings account for when the sister is ready to attend college.  Her chances of a US student visa may not be so high, but it creates another option.  That savings account may help if she decides to attend school in Europe?

[jyaku 138]

Guys you are still not getting it.

 

That is the one link that I posted. You can check my earlier posts about i-864p.

 

Assuming you're right about income requirement can you explain why my neighbor got an RFE for not making enough to support his 2 parents when he had a household of 3 (his wife and son). If the 2 people being added to household made his household made it 5, he would easily qualify but he still got the RFE and had to show more. 

 

If I remember correctly it said multiply for each additional person added or include assets.

 

That is 2016 I'm talking about. So I still think I'm right and you guys are wrong going by personal experience.

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3 minutes ago, Amhara said:

So there are two people posting the actual income guidelines and being told they are wrong?  Hmmm...

 

Here's my two cents: Bring over one parent, then when eligible, they can sponsor the sister.  Plan B is to create a healthy savings account for when the sister is ready to attend college.  Her chances of a US student visa may not be so high, but it creates another option.  That savings account may help if she decides to attend school in Europe?

 

Easiest is probably a sibling visa. Takes a long time but it will get the job done. Just have to be patient.

 

It also significantly reduces the income required to sponsor as the OP only has to sponsor 1 person vs 3.

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Just now, jyaku said:

Guys you are still not getting it.

 

That is the one link that I posted. You can check my earlier posts about i-864p.

 

Assuming you're right about income requirement can you explain why my neighbor got an RFE for not making enough to support his 2 parents when he had a household of 3 (his wife and son). If the 2 people being added to household made his household made it 5, he would easily qualify but he still got the RFE and had to show more. 

 

If I remember correctly it said multiply for each additional person added or include assets.

 

That is 2016 I'm talking about. So I still think I'm right and you guys are wrong going by personal experience.

The I-864 instructions have not changed since 2016.  It's still the same.

With a household of 3 and 2 intending immigrant, the household is 5.  That's the number you go off on the I-864p.

There is no multiplying anything when counting the intending immigrants.  You simply go from a household of 3 to the amount for a household of 5.

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1 minute ago, jyaku said:

 

Easiest is probably a sibling visa. Takes a long time but it will get the job done. Just have to be patient.

 

It also significantly reduces the income required to sponsor as the OP only has to sponsor 1 person vs 3.

Easiest if the OP is fine with waiting 15-25 years for her sister to immigrate.

 

The easiest would be to petition one parent.  The parent immigrates.  The parent petitions for the daughter in the F2a category.  The parent gets a Re-Entry Permit.  When the F2a PD comes current in 2 years, the parent comes back to the US.  The USC daughter and her husband can be the Joint Sponsor.  Once the daughter immigrates, the parent can give up LPR status.  That's a household of 4 which requires about $5500 more than the $25,000 for a household of 3.  There is no multiplying any amount.

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8 minutes ago, Jojo92122 said:

The I-864 instructions have not changed since 2016.  It's still the same.

With a household of 3 and 2 intending immigrant, the household is 5.  That's the number you go off on the I-864p.

There is no multiplying anything when counting the intending immigrants.  You simply go from a household of 3 to the amount for a household of 5.

Well I hope for the OP's sake you're right and I'm wrong but I still think she'll get an RFE for not enough income.

 

That said I just remembered something else. I know a lady who got their green card after 21 years  4 years ago, being sponsored by her sister. Her 2 daughters and 1 son immediately got green cards too as dependents. The sister filed in 1992, and the green card was approved 2013 everyone.

 

Is there a difference between sponsoring your parents and their dependent children, vs sponsoring your sister and her dependent children?

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11 minutes ago, Jojo92122 said:

The easiest would be to petition one parent.  The parent immigrates.  The parent petitions for the daughter in the F2a category.  The parent gets a Re-Entry Permit.  When the F2a PD comes current in 2 years, the parent comes back to the US.  The USC daughter and her husband can be the Joint Sponsor.  Once the daughter immigrates, the parent can give up LPR status.  That's a household of 4 which requires about $5500 more than the $25,000 for a household of 3.  There is no multiplying any amount.

 

You really think an immigration officer won't see the time spent abroad by the parent as a problem?

 

When they give a green card interview to a child of a LPR.. the parent has to show income, and that they can afford the relative.

 

You're making this way more complicated than it needing to be. The entire house of cards can fall apart by a uscis official doing their job.

Edited May 18, 2018 by jyaku

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22 minutes ago, jyaku said:

Assuming you're right about income requirement can you explain why my neighbor got an RFE for not making enough to support his 2 parents when he had a household of 3 (his wife and son). If the 2 people being added to household made his household made it 5, he would easily qualify but he still got the RFE and had to show more. 

 

If I remember correctly it said multiply for each additional person added or include assets.

 

That is 2016 I'm talking about. So I still think I'm right and you guys are wrong going by personal experience.

This has not changed since 2016. I can't speak for why your neighbor got an RFE as we do not know the details of their case. Maybe they didn't provide enough evidence of their income and therefore it was not counted and didn't meet the requirements. Maybe their income was not what was expected. Maybe USCIS lost the supporting paperwork. There's nothing to go on here regarding that case, but the rules are the same regarding household size and income requirements.

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If the sole aim is to reunite the family, it would involve fewer moves and visa applications if OP and wife move to the wife’s home country. 

[Jojo92122 1,924]

1 hour ago, jyaku said:

 

You really think an immigration officer won't see the time spent abroad by the parent as a problem?

 

When they give a green card interview to a child of a LPR.. the parent has to show income, and that they can afford the relative.

 

You're making this way more complicated than it needing to be. The entire house of cards can fall apart by a uscis official doing their job.

The time spent abroad is not a problem with a Re-Entry Permit.  So, yes, the immigration officer will not see the time spent aboard by the parent as a problem.   

The parent does not need to show ANY income or have ANY asset.  That's why a Joint Sponsor is allowed.  Your insistance that the parent has to show income is WRONG.

Being here in 2-3 years is not more complicated than waiting 15-25 years for her sister to immigrate.  Think about the opportunities for an 18 years old versus a 30-40 years old.  Isn't it much more complicated for a 30-40 years old woman who is a new immigrant to start a career in the US versus a young person who can get a US education?  

Please explain what house of card you are talking about since this is a true and tried way that MANY others have successfully accomplished?

Edited May 19, 2018 by Jojo92122