USCIS interview failed because of lack of documentation showing joint assets and liabilities

[Farrah Lawson 9]

53 minutes ago, gregcrs2 said:

Doing the same old thing will likely get you the same old results!  Sorry, but the more of your responses I read, the more I agree with the IO's decision.  

gregcrs2, we met outside of the US 2 years ago. I have a place in Europe. I do not own property in the US any longer. We stay at the hotel near a hospital due to my medical condition and between family members. There are many houses where we are always welcome together with our dog.

I sold my house, my cars, my watercraft, my motorcycle. Everything else is in storage units in different states.

There is no need to get a lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence since we have so many family members that we stay at and they let us use their cars as well.

I will not buy a house nor cars just to please some USCIS worker. I made a decision long time ago about not having properties in this country anymore. It is my right and I will not reverse that because USCIS might like it.

Edited May 17, 2018 by Farrah Lawson

[Ash.1101 1,756]

22 minutes ago, Farrah Lawson said:

RLA, thank you for your reply to our comment and for the link.

 

Joint bank accounts, joint tax returns, joint ownership of property, cars. Joint leases. Joint insurance. Named as beneficiaries on life insurance and medical insurance. Joint credit cards. Any other joining of financial interests (the theory is that if one is willing to risk your property and money the relationship is more likely valid) Government documents showing common address, drivers lisence, etc. 

 

Answer:  We have joint credit cards showing that I and my spouse have combined our financial resources.

We have my life insurance document - showing that my spouse and my son are the beneficiaries.

We have invoices, receipts, proof of payments processed, records of money transfers, etc. - showing that we share financially responsibility.

We have Government issued documents showing name change after marriage (Social Security Card, passport, driving license, professional licenses). My spouse can not have an official US address as there are no other documents than the passport showing that the admission was as a visitor (B-2) at the last arrival in the US. My spouse entered the US on a temporary basis (non-immigrant visa).

 

Any other joining of financial interests (the theory is that if one is willing to risk your property and money the relationship is more likely valid)  - The joint credit cards show exactly that. Moreover, I have given my spouse a check at our wedding that can be used at anytime to debit my bank account for the amount of the check. There are also records of money transfers and a lot of gifts (including payments proof for jewelry and diamond certificates).

 

 

The USCIS worker's exact words were: “I don’t see any proof of a real marriage”. That is more than a sign of suspicion on her part as to the bona fides of our marriage, that means that our marriage is a fraud in her eyes. But there was no scrutiny from the federal government as we expected. There was no real investigation on our case.

 

I would like to mention again that during that interview there were no questions on each other about: 

 

• Wedding (place, time, how did we get to the ceremony, who attended, witnesses, reverend, cake, drinks, our song, gifts, etc.);
• Wedding ring and bands (when and where we purchased them, how we paid, diamond certificate, etc.);
• Name change on the official documents after marriage (ID’s, Social Security Card, professional licenses);
• Our families, if we know each other’s family and if we stay in touch with the family members;
• My son (if he knows my spouse, if he was at our wedding, if we visit each other and stay in touch);
• The places where we lived before and after marriage;
• The items bought together before and after marriage;
• My medical problem (diagnosis, referring MD, surgeon, treatment, recovery period, health insurance company, etc.);
• Tattoos, scars, unusual marks (I have tattooed my spouse’s name on my body before we got married);
• Our friends;
• Our jobs, salary, workplace, colleagues, our companies, managers, etc.;
• Nothing personal (sexual life, eating habits, diet, food and beverages preferences, habits, tics/ habitual twitching, colors, TV shows and movies, hobbies and activities, pets, life style, dressing style, daily routine, shared memories about passed away parents, grandparents, etc.).

 

 

Beyond what has been said, if the USCIS denies a marriage-based application because it suspects marriage fraud, why don't they pay a house visit? Why they don't interview our family (US citizens)? 

 

I see you're just copy and pasting your original posts.

Note, it is NOT on USCIS to prove you have a real marriage or to prove you do not. It's on YOU to prove that you have a real marriage based on the ideals and proof that USCIS wants to see.

Not to be super rude, but they don't care enough about you or any of us to take the time to go seek out info to prove your relationship is real. That's -NOT- their job. That's yours.

They don't have to ask any of those questions. It's optional. Some people get approved without any of those questions being asked simply because the package they sent out had enough proof beyond a reasonable doubt that they were a bona fide couple.

You need to understand that all of this is subjective. Our relationships are subjective. A lot of us didn't send the things they asked for, yet we were approved because we sent some things that they asked for and had proof to back it all up.

When it comes to judging a relationship, aside from financials, there is no science behind it, no rule book that says you have to be X,Y,Z. At that point, the second you walk into that interview with your husband, they are judging both of you. Watching your facial reactions, any little nuances that might suspect you're uncomfortable with each other (they're aware the interview is uncomfortable). 

In your case, I HEAVILY believe that the lack of proper housing is going to be the part that gets you. They could consider you housing him at a hotel as you just having a place for him to stay until he gets his GC and moves out on his own. Nothing binds him to that hotel, nothing binds him to you aside from what a couple of credit cards?

3 minutes ago, Farrah Lawson said:

gregcrs2, we met outside of the US 2 years ago. I have a place in Europe. I do not own property in the US any longer. We stay at the hotel near a hospital due to my medical condition and between family members. There are many houses where we are always welcome together with our dog.

I sold my house, my cars, my watercraft, my motorcycle. Everything else is in storage units in different states.

There is no need to get a lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence since we have so many family members that we stay at and they let us use their cars as well.

I will not buy a house nor cars just to please some USCIS worker. I made a decision long time ago about not having properties in this country anymore. It is my right and I will not reverse that because USCIS might like it.

Did you tell them this? Because at the end of the day there's no reason to get him a green card if you have no intentions of staying in the US once medical is over.  He is perfectly capable of visiting you... well maybe not any more. But would have been.

So you show no proof of residence, you show no intentions of staying in the US, you show no intentions of even attempting you will take care of him in the US.

Green cards aren't for visiting. If your condition keeps you here for years, you may need to have a doctor write a note about it.

But realistically, you can't sponsor him without a residence. He can't get a GC without a hard residence. If you need to draft a lease with a family member, then you can do that. But a hotel is not a residence, and you can't just tell USCIS "Oh you can find me at one of four locations".

You do realize that these people hold the power over you and it's not the other way around right? How bad do you want your husband here?

Edited May 17, 2018 by Ash.1101

[mrmvkjts 459]

Okay...

So first of all, if you don‘t want help/opinions/suggestions then DON‘T ASK ON HERE!

So many people are trying to help you, but all you do is being mr. smartypants and knowing everything better anyways...why should one even bother and help you if u refuse everything one says on here!?

 

Secondly, just count to ten and breathe! You could do this process entirely yourself!

I‘m the beneficiary and only early 20s but I think I‘m managing it pretty well!(My husband is doing all the nesessary things but I guess I‘m just a little more interested in all the exeptions and storys with this process) 

Anyway, if you don‘t wanna do it by yourself, then get yourself a GOOD lawyer! There for sure are lawyers who have no real clue what they do, and maybe you unfortunately got one of them but I‘m sure there is a lawyer out there you can trust with your paperwork! But then you also shouldn‘t argue or refuse what they say!

 

For sure, the attitude you‘re having on here probably also didn‘t help with USCIS. 

But one thing the IRS told u wrong or you maybe misunderstood is the tax thing..but many posters before told u this already.

 

I would suggest you overthink your initial petition one more time and maybe be more open to suggestions and help.

 

Regards, from someone who is still trying to help, even tho I have the slight feeling you guys just did the AOS because you wanted to cut the waiting...and not because you „changed your mind“

[gregcrs2 1,778]

1 minute ago, Farrah Lawson said:

gregcrs2, we met outside of the US 2 years ago. I have a place in Europe. I do not own property in the US any longer. We stay at the hotel near a hospital due to my medical condition and between family members. There are many houses where we are always welcome together with our dog.

I sold my house, my cars, my watercraft, my motorcycle. Everything else is in storage units in different states.

There is no need to get a lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence since we have so many family members that we stay at and let us use their cars as well.

I will not buy a house nor cars just to please some USCIS worker. I made a decision long time ago about not having properties in this country anymore. It is my right and I will not reverse that because USCIS might like it.

I never mentioned anything about a lease...NEVER.  But you don't even show a willingness to show a joint checking account.  Sounds like you don't even want to be in the USA so why even go through this process?  

 

[Bfree3 132]

😭😂🤣 this is one of the most hilarious threads I’ve ever read. Wow. Just wow. You really have to leave some people to their own devices. Room 2A 😭🤣🤣😭 

[mrmvkjts 459]

OP If you don‘t own anything and don‘t want to own anything in „this country“ then why even bother and go thru all this?

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

3 minutes ago, Bfree3 said:

😭😂🤣 this is one of the most hilarious threads I’ve ever read. Wow. Just wow. You really have to leave some people to their own devices. Room 2A 😭🤣🤣😭 

Then you haven't been here awhile there have been some killers on here before that are searchable if you know what to look for. Such as the balcony meeting thread.

Edited May 17, 2018 by cyberfx1024

[Ash.1101 1,756]

2 minutes ago, mrmvkjts said:

OP If you don‘t own anything and don‘t want to own anything in „this country“ then why even bother and go thru all this?

Because she wants him here in the country while she goes through her medical issues.

Which... isn't what a green card is for. If she told anyone at USCIS half of what she's told us, it's not a surprise why they denied her. Some people play the medical card for pity, in this case it may not have helped her at all, especially when she's not willing to even pay for a 6 month apartment but she'll pay 7 months for a hotel room?

Note: Getting a little annoyed at the OP. I'd do anything for my husband, even if that meant get a damn lease drafted and put him on my bank account. I hate when people cry over their beautiful relationship but refuse to do the things that will help them simply because they made a choice and they think holding their ground with USCIS means something.

/taking a break

Edited May 17, 2018 by Ash.1101

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, gregcrs2 said:

I never mentioned anything about a lease...NEVER.  But you don't even show a willingness to show a joint checking account.  Sounds like you don't even want to be in the USA so why even go through this process?  

 

I believe I was one of the one's that said a lease since the OP said that a foreign spouse can't be on lease or a bank account when I know for a fact that to be wrong.

[Farrah Lawson 9]

51 minutes ago, Rusty72 said:

Then your just wasting everyones time...

 

 

Rusty72, joint assets are not an official requirement. Joint assets or liabilities are not mandatory. There is no such thing stated anywhere.

I sold my properties many years ago and now I'm enjoying my retirement (hopefully it will be better after the surgery). My spouse is the beneficiary of my life insurance, there are joint credit cards and many other proof of a legitimate / real / valid marriage.

USCIS cannot force me to buy again a house and cars. We have a place in Europe, a car and watercraft. In the US we stay at the hotel and at our relatives. We use their cars. Why should we need a lease or properties? 

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8 minutes ago, Farrah Lawson said:

There is no need to get a lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence since we have so many family members that we stay at and they let us use their cars as well.

Perhaps affidavits from family members will help showing you live together as a married couple, how long you stay with each of them, etc.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Just now, Farrah Lawson said:

Rusty72, joint assets are not an official requirement. Joint assets or liabilities are not mandatory. There is no such thing stated anywhere.

I sold my properties many years ago and now I'm enjoying my retirement (hopefully it will be better after the surgery). My spouse is the beneficiary of my life insurance, there are joint credit cards and many other proof of a legitimate / real / valid marriage.

USCIS cannot force me to buy again a house and cars. We have a place in Europe, a car and watercraft. In the US we stay at the hotel and at our relatives. We use their cars. Why should we need a lease or properties? 

Also what is the age difference between you and your spouse???? This could have played a big factor as well.

[Ash.1101 1,756]

3 minutes ago, Farrah Lawson said:

Rusty72, joint assets are not an official requirement. Joint assets or liabilities are not mandatory. There is no such thing stated anywhere.

I sold my properties many years ago and now I'm enjoying my retirement (hopefully it will be better after the surgery). My spouse is the beneficiary of my life insurance, there are joint credit cards and many other proof of a legitimate / real / valid marriage.

USCIS cannot force me to buy again a house and cars. We have a place in Europe, a car and watercraft. In the US we stay at the hotel and at our relatives. We use their cars. Why should we need a lease or properties? 

You're getting to hung up on semantics. If 100 people tell you that they will request them and that they want them, but the paperwork says you MAY present them, are you really going to die on that hill because of semantics?

I had to get a second cosponsor for my husband. My mom met the requirements to sponsor him, they said they still didn't feel comfortable, so we got a SECOND cosponsor. Yeah I was mad at first because "requirements are requirements". But it wasn't worth the battle, I enjoy my husband being here with me.

Edited May 17, 2018 by Ash.1101

[Bfree3 132]

1 minute ago, Ash.1101 said:

You're getting to hung up on semantics. If 100 people tell you that they will request them and that they want them, but the paperwork says you MAY present them, are you really going to die on that hill because of semantics?

*Planning the funeral on the hill * 

[payxibka 10,045]

15 minutes ago, Farrah Lawson said:

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USCIS cannot force me to buy again a house and cars. We have a place in Europe, a car and watercraft. In the US we stay at the hotel and at our relatives. We use their cars. Why should we need a lease or properties? 

A green card is for residing in the US not just temporary visits.  They cannot force you to buy property but they surely can refuse to issue it

Edited May 17, 2018 by payxibka