USCIS interview failed because of lack of documentation showing joint assets and liabilities

[Ash.1101 1,756]

2 minutes ago, Rusty72 said:

Then your just wasting everyones time...

 

 

100% correct.

 

And even better if you send the same things, it also shows you’re not willing to do what it takes for your spouse, which isn’t going to do any favors.

 

there are people on here who have gotten joint accounts even when they don’t believe in it solely because USCIS wants to see it. You have to cater your marriage to what USCIS wants. If you aren’t the idea of a marriage to them, then they will find holes and poke through them.

 

yes it sucks that their idea of marriage is a financial agreement between two people but you either go with it or your husband gets to leave.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

15 minutes ago, Farrah Lawson said:

cyberfx1024  thank you for your reply to our comment.

 

This is a common misconception among people that the USCIS accepts any kind of electronic device either at the NVC, Embassy, or a field office. This is because that field agent does not know what's on the flash drive, dvd, phones, or laptops. You could have a virus on your equipment that is now directly on the network if they plugged it in to their computer.

Answer:  Do you really think that the US Governement is afraid to use an usb flash drive received during an official meeting?

Firstly, the authorities do not use their main network for non-internal unsecured devices. Those computers are locked down or the USB ports are disabled. There are removable media use policy in place and designated workstations. I have worked for different private companies that had this type of systems in place. I believe that the federal governement is ahead of most private companies.

We think too much of these "threats". It happens when we watch many espionage movies. 

 

Did you have physical wedding pictures or electronic ones? It sounds like you brought everything electronically and nothing physical but car/room keys. This is a big no no and you should have known this if you went with a lawyer.

Answer: We had digital files, no printouts. The USCIS worker did not want to see anything anyway and we asked if we could submit printed pictures and she said no. The documents required at the interview (as per Form I-797C, Notice of Action - Request for applicant to appear for interview ) were not received. The lady declined to accept all the documents listed by the Interview Notice. She seemed very annoyed by the fact that we did not submit documentation regarding joint assets or liabilities. She specifically asked for property documents, joint bank accounts, a lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence and taxes filed together. She didn't want to hear anything else. She wouldn't listen to anything we had to say. She rejected as useless all the other documentation that we had, as if it was unworthy of acceptance, of no value, completely worthless, NIL.

 

Redo your whole packet and include more actual evidence this time in the packet when you send it in.

Answer: The only thing that we would do different would be the pictures - printouts, not digital files. That would be at the interview anyway. The new "whole packet" would be exactly the same as the initial one. We will not have joint assets. 

 

@Farrah Lawson Thank you for responding to me about what I wrote. You quite frankly have me perplexed in regard to the Q&A format that you are doing but I will go along with it for right now and respond to what you have written.

 

1. Yes, the USG is concerned with what is on a "UNAPPROVED AND NOT OFFICIAL" USB flash drive. This is one of the simplest and easiest ways to spread viruses or any kind of malicious content on to a network because it bypasses the firewall completely and is able to get into network directly.Do you even know what you are talking about in this regards, are you a USG employee, or a InfoSec Professional? I am a USG Federal Employee and you would be quite wrong in your assumption that a large amount of the federal government is ahead of a private company. Yes, there are large amounts of the government ahead of private companies and DOD is one of them. But usually at other agencies or departments they do not lock down ports or hard drives at all because they are not accessing a secured and classified network all the time. The computer where I am at now the ports are not locked down at all, but if you put something on the network my colleague next door will know know because he will be notified.

You may not think to much of these threats but you better believe that they are real and they are out there. That is why the US government tries to make sure that all of us employees know what to put on the network and what not too.

 

2. Usually submitting pictures is when you send in the original packet and then you bring more to the interview. I would be annoyed as well because it looks like you barely sent anything in with your packet and tried to do everything on the backend electronically. When a simple question on here could save you a lot of pain and heartache. What all PHYSICAL DOCUMENTATION did you bring with you to the interview? When we did the AOS for my wife which I brought over on a K1 visa I brought everything that I had sent in with the packet with a couple of added things as well. I brought records showing a joint bank account, health/rental/car insurances, rental agreement, and other pictures we took together during the AOS process(none explicit). This was all to show that we are in a valid marriage.

 

3. Why would you not have any joint assets???? You still don't have a joint bank account, life insurance, health insurance, anything?????

Edited May 17, 2018 by cyberfx1024

[Ash.1101 1,756]

Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

 

 

3. Why would you not have any joint assets???? You still don't have a joint bank account, life insurance, health insurance, anything?????

 This part is super important.

 

ive seen people on here adamantly refuse to commingle finances in their marriage simply because that’s how they want to live their life and their relationship. I’ve also seen these same people bite the bullet for USCIS and get everything in joint forms to satisfy it all. Losing their spouse wasn’t worth the laziness in research or getting accounts set up.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, Ash.1101 said:

 This part is super important.

 

ive seen people on here adamantly refuse to commingle finances in their marriage simply because that’s how they want to live their life and their relationship. I’ve also seen these same people bite the bullet for USCIS and get everything in joint forms to satisfy it all. Losing their spouse wasn’t worth the laziness in research or getting accounts set up.

I mean I have my own separate account at a different bank than our joint account but primarily that is because it is a state credit union and they didn't have branches in CA at all, now my wife doesn't want to take a trip with me down to bank to add her(I have asked). She has access online and can see everything on it so there are no surprises at all.

[bobjennyhitched 99]

8 hours ago, AL-MJD said:

i agree with the above post . shorter help . but i already disagree with many earlier points on OP's post already . i am not married to my USC future-hubby yet , however we hold a joint bank account together from US Bank .

 

from what was told to me from my prenuptial agreement lawyer , our house will hold my name when we marry despite having yet applied for the GC . it could be state laws .

 

i do agree that proof of joint assets and other joint-stuff isn't mandatory .

 

i didn't read everything else . i lazy . i just wanted to point out that ... ya ... not "NO" rights ... dats a bit strong .

Hey, can you give me any advice on how to get an account with my husband from US Bank. You know, for joint assets and savings? I'm a UK citizen moving to the US

[Farrah Lawson 9]

1 hour ago, RLA said:

Indeed, there is a difference.  Joint assets are not a must, and in theory you could do without them.  However, most other types of evidence are considered pretty weak (even if USCIS' official instruction don't say that), see the post linked below.  Excerpt:

 

"Photos are good, kind of expected, but NOT primary evidence. [...] Affidavits from friends or family do not have a lot of weight. None of these things are BAD and in conjunction with other evidence are fine, but not enough to prove anything themselves."

 

It seems that you only presented "weak" evidence, and so it's no wonder you got denied.  

 

 

RLA, thank you for your reply to our comment and for the link.

 

Joint bank accounts, joint tax returns, joint ownership of property, cars. Joint leases. Joint insurance. Named as beneficiaries on life insurance and medical insurance. Joint credit cards. Any other joining of financial interests (the theory is that if one is willing to risk your property and money the relationship is more likely valid) Government documents showing common address, drivers lisence, etc. 

 

Answer:  We have joint credit cards showing that I and my spouse have combined our financial resources.

We have my life insurance document - showing that my spouse and my son are the beneficiaries.

We have invoices, receipts, proof of payments processed, records of money transfers, etc. - showing that we share financially responsibility.

We have Government issued documents showing name change after marriage (Social Security Card, passport, driving license, professional licenses). My spouse can not have an official US address as there are no other documents than the passport showing that the admission was as a visitor (B-2) at the last arrival in the US. My spouse entered the US on a temporary basis (non-immigrant visa).

 

Any other joining of financial interests (the theory is that if one is willing to risk your property and money the relationship is more likely valid)  - The joint credit cards show exactly that. Moreover, I have given my spouse a check at our wedding that can be used at anytime to debit my bank account for the amount of the check. There are also records of money transfers and a lot of gifts (including payments proof for jewelry and diamond certificates).

 

 

The USCIS worker's exact words were: “I don’t see any proof of a real marriage”. That is more than a sign of suspicion on her part as to the bona fides of our marriage, that means that our marriage is a fraud in her eyes. But there was no scrutiny from the federal government as we expected. There was no real investigation on our case.

 

I would like to mention again that during that interview there were no questions on each other about: 

 

• Wedding (place, time, how did we get to the ceremony, who attended, witnesses, reverend, cake, drinks, our song, gifts, etc.);
• Wedding ring and bands (when and where we purchased them, how we paid, diamond certificate, etc.);
• Name change on the official documents after marriage (ID’s, Social Security Card, professional licenses);
• Our families, if we know each other’s family and if we stay in touch with the family members;
• My son (if he knows my spouse, if he was at our wedding, if we visit each other and stay in touch);
• The places where we lived before and after marriage;
• The items bought together before and after marriage;
• My medical problem (diagnosis, referring MD, surgeon, treatment, recovery period, health insurance company, etc.);
• Tattoos, scars, unusual marks (I have tattooed my spouse’s name on my body before we got married);
• Our friends;
• Our jobs, salary, workplace, colleagues, our companies, managers, etc.;
• Nothing personal (sexual life, eating habits, diet, food and beverages preferences, habits, tics/ habitual twitching, colors, TV shows and movies, hobbies and activities, pets, life style, dressing style, daily routine, shared memories about passed away parents, grandparents, etc.).

 

 

Beyond what has been said, if the USCIS denies a marriage-based application because it suspects marriage fraud, why don't they pay a house visit? Why they don't interview our family (US citizens)? 

 

Edited May 17, 2018 by Farrah Lawson

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14 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

She seemed very annoyed by the fact that we did not submit documentation regarding joint assets or liabilities. She specifically asked for property documents, joint bank accounts, a lease showing joint tenancy of a common residence and taxes filed together. She didn't want to hear anything else. She wouldn't listen to anything we had to say. She rejected as useless all the other documentation that we had, as if it was unworthy of acceptance, of no value, completely worthless, NIL.

In the eyes of USCIS, those are the main things that are worthy of acceptance and of great value.  That's why she specifically asked for them.

 

17 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

The only thing that we would do different would be the pictures - printouts, not digital files. That would be at the interview anyway. The new "whole packet" would be exactly the same as the initial one. We will not have joint assets. 

Best of luck.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, Going through said:

In the eyes of USCIS, those are the main things that are worthy of acceptance and of great value.  That's why she specifically asked for them.

 

Best of luck.

That's why I asked if he brought those electronically or physical copies.

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1 minute ago, cyberfx1024 said:

That's why I asked if he brought those electronically or physical copies.

Ack quoted a quote, meant to respond to when OP had said the above  

[dirtyhippiegirl 85]

You are way overthinking this process. I managed to get my husband over here on a K1 and successfully adjusted status by myself -- and I had just turned twenty at the time. Just take a deep breath and stop arguing with everything.

[Ash.1101 1,756]

11 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I mean I have my own separate account at a different bank than our joint account but primarily that is because it is a state credit union and they didn't have branches in CA at all, now my wife doesn't want to take a trip with me down to bank to add her(I have asked). She has access online and can see everything on it so there are no surprises at all.

Oh yeah, I have a separate account where I put the bill money. Some people didn't want a joint account AT ALL.

 

1 minute ago, Farrah Lawson said:

RLA, thank you for your reply to our comment and for the link.

 

Joint bank accounts, joint tax returns, joint ownership of property, cars. Joint leases. Joint insurance. Named as beneficiaries on life insurance and medical insurance. Joint credit cards. Any other joining of financial interests (the theory is that if one is willing to risk your property and money the relationship is more likely valid) Government documents showing common address, drivers lisence, etc. 

 

Answer:  We have joint credit cards showing that I and my spouse have combined our financial resources.

We have my life insurance document - showing that my spouse and my son are the beneficiaries.

We have invoices, receipts, proof of payments processed, records of money transfers, etc. - showing that we share financially responsibility.

We have Government issued documents showing name change after marriage (Social Security Card, passport, driving license, professional licenses). My spouse can not have an official US address as there are no other documents than the passport showing that the admission was as a visitor (B-2) at the last arrival in the US. My spouse entered the US on a temporary basis (non-immigrant visa).

 

Any other joining of financial interests (the theory is that if one is willing to risk your property and money the relationship is more likely valid)  - The joint credit cards show exactly that. Moreover, I have given my spouse a check at our wedding that can be used at anytime to debit my bank account for the amount of the check. There are also records of money transfers and a lot of gifts (including payments proof for jewelry and diamond certificates).

 

Do you have any proof that your spouse has added you to life insurance or 401k type things?
Is your spouse listed as step-father on your sons school and/or on his registration?
Name change doesn't really matter. It's nice, but holds little to no weight.

Your spouse can't have an official US address, but you should. It's a red flag to be staying at a hotel, have your DL say you have a residence, and then you also say you stay with family members.

USCIS is probably thinking the same thing we are, why aren't you getting a lease? You don't need your husbands name on the lease day one. It could be added on at any time. You could also have an agreement where the landlord knows that your husband is staying as a permanent guest. 

Joint credit cards aren't counted twice. You counted them once for proving that you have joint credit cards, you can't count them again for any other joining financial interests.

Note, also credit cards don't hold as much weight as the bank account where your paychecks go.

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4 minutes ago, Farrah Lawson said:

My spouse can not have an official US address as there are no other documents than the passport showing that the admission was as a visitor (B-2) at the last arrival in the US. My spouse entered the US on a temporary basis (non-immigrant visa).

If you are filing AOS from within the US, then yes she has an "official US address"---the address where she physically lives with you.  

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Just now, Going through said:

If you are filing AOS from within the US, then yes she has an "official US address"---the address where she physically lives with you.  

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[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, dirtyhippiegirl said:

You are way overthinking this process. I managed to get my husband over here on a K1 and successfully adjusted status by myself -- and I had just turned twenty at the time. Just take a deep breath and stop arguing with everything.

As you said it's pretty straight forward once you get the hang of it. If there are any questions people will be more than happy to help. But this OP seems like he just wants to argue his point of him being right and the USCIS is wrong.

[Mary&Dan 13]

45 minutes ago, Farrah Lawson said:

Answer: The pictures would be the only thing done differently - printouts, not digital files. That would be at the interview anyway. The new "whole packet" would be exactly the same as the initial one. We will not have joint assets. 

 

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" A. Einstein