North Korea threatens to cancel Kim-Trump summit over "one-sided" nuclear demands

[Jacque67 7,328]

http://time.com/5278763/north-korea-us-summit-nuclear-weapons/

 

And I think it's gonna be a long long time.

 

almost as if NoKo wanted to suck Trump into a summit-good PR for them. Kim was called "honourable"!

 

if only the subject area specialists and experts had warned Don the Con!

the art of the deal. Hahahaha.

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how could we have ever seen this coming?

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I still hope we can come to an agreement at the Summit, but I think people were fooling themselves by celebrating early.

 

If we are lucky we will get some sort of deal out of it...maybe something like a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action?

[Jacque67 7,328]

an expert . But don the con only listens to his nighttime calls from Hannity, the great political scientist.

 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, bcking said:

I still hope we can come to an agreement at the Summit, but I think people were fooling themselves by celebrating early.

 

If we are lucky we will get some sort of deal out of it...maybe something like a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action?

I think the big issue right now that is in the background of everything an definitely Kim's mind is what happened to Gaddafi during the Arab Spring. If you remember he gave up his Nuclear Weapons program after the Iraqi Invasion of 2003, then come the Arab Spring he was put into a civil war that was funded and trained by the West. So it's pretty much safe to say that if he had the program or the nukes he would still be in power today.

[Jacque67 7,328]

KCNA: "If it truly wishes for dialogue, it should come out to positively respond to the DPRK's pro-active measures for world peace, not posing threat to the peace and security on the Korean peninsula through the introduction of nuclear strategic assets."

 

jonathan Cheng.

 

bolton was condemned, wonder if he briefed Trump on that? Also, NoKo said Trump is going to look worse than past administrations. 

Kju 4-D chess, Donnie checkers.

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13 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I think the big issue right now that is in the background of everything an definitely Kim's mind is what happened to Gaddafi during the Arab Spring. If you remember he gave up his Nuclear Weapons program after the Iraqi Invasion of 2003, then come the Arab Spring he was put into a civil war that was funded and trained by the West. So it's pretty much safe to say that if he had the program or the nukes he would still be in power today.

I think it is also fair to say that our decision to pull out of the Iran Deal is probably also on Kim's mind.

 

Why would he agree to a deal that he realizes we can just change our mind on whenever we like?

 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Wow Trump is going to start WW3

[Jacque67 7,328]

Ole smokey eyes. Hahaha.

fully expected?Give him the Nobel! Had to get a ghost writer for the art of the deal. No ambassador to South Korea. Top US diplomat in charge of NoKo resigned Feb, state department top nuclear expert resigned last week, but the guy from Queens can solve it all!

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, bcking said:

I think it is also fair to say that our decision to pull out of the Iran Deal is probably also on Kim's mind.

 

Why would he agree to a deal that he realizes we can just change our mind on whenever we like?

 

You know why that was right that we pulled out of the deal???? It was NEVER RATIFIED AS A TREATY as it should have been in the beginning.

Edited May 16, 2018 by cyberfx1024

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Wow Trump is going to start WW3

 

  The ruling on the field stands. Fumble!

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17 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

You know why that was right that we pulled out of the deal???? It was NEVER RATIFIED AS A TREATY as it should have been in the beginning.

I wish Trump luck with any future international agreements without Congressional approval. Two thirds approval, if I rember correctly.

[jg121783 3,921]

3 hours ago, bcking said:

I think it is also fair to say that our decision to pull out of the Iran Deal is probably also on Kim's mind.

 

Why would he agree to a deal that he realizes we can just change our mind on whenever we like?

 

There was no Iran deal. Obama made some promises that were not legally binding (and unconstitutional for him to make) and Trump reversed them.

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20 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

There was no Iran deal. Obama made some promises that were not legally binding (and unconstitutional for him to make) and Trump reversed them.

The Iran Deal was not the first international agreement that was not an official treaty. Obama wasn't the first to use that strategy and he won't be the last.

 

Like it or not Trump has made his job with North Korea harder. If he brings any deal like the Iran Deal back to Congress Democrats will have an incredibly easy time shooting it down based on the same complaints about the Iran Deal.

 

How could we be absolutely sure they aren't hiding their weapons program? Even if they agree, how could we trust them to show an independent agency everything?

 

He would need 2/3s approval in Congress. That is hard to get, especially in this political climate. Having just ended a deal that many think was effective and all evidence suggests was working does not make his case easier.

 

I am absolutely sincere when I say I wish him well and I want a peace deal with NK that includes an end to their nuclesr program. That is just going to be hard for Trump to achieve as an official treaty.

Edited May 16, 2018 by bcking

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https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-2/22-sole-constitutional-authority-of-the-president.html

 

Here are some examples. The Proliferation Security Initiative that we are apart of is another example of an agreement that is not a treaty.

 

Yes these are all non-binding agreements, and what Trump did was completely in his power. But there is a reasonable constitutional argument for stating that Obama's actions were completely within his power. To my knowledge the Republican party didn't pursue a court case to have the Supreme Court weigh in on the matter, so we can only give our opinions (or the opinions of experts, of which you will find people on both sides of the argument).

 

I've never argued that Trump broke any laws or did anything legally wrong in ending the Iran agreement. But neither did Obama in starting it. The bigger issue for Trump now is he has made it clear what he thinks of this 'agreements' that are non-binding, and so he is going to need to focus on getting something that he can push through 2/3's approval in Congress. That is written in the Constitution. That is going to be hard. If he falls back on an "agreement" with NK it will be incredibly hypocritical and embarrassing for him.