Study: Sanctuary Cities Nearly Double Under Trump’s Stricter Enforcement

[bcking 3,157]

27 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

So if I am doing 75 in a 55, but don’t know what the speed limit is, have I committed a crime?

Also to answer your question -

 

It depends. Many places the standard highway speed limit is 65 mph.

 

If it wasn't properly posted for 55 mph where you were, then you may not have done anything wrong.

[TBoneTX 46,058]

18 hours ago, Neonred said:

No, but had friends that went to SU.  Family in the Albany/Schenectady area.

Well, then:  spell "Canandaigua" five times in a row, really fast.

[Dashinka 24,765]

On ‎5‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 1:55 PM, spookyturtle said:

I didn’t say he did, they just doubled under his watch. Not something the right should be proud of. 

Should the Left be proud of it?

[Dashinka 24,765]

16 hours ago, bcking said:

There is no federal law requiring local governments to work with the federal government on this topic.

 

If I'm wrong please give us the specific laws that the cities are breaking.

It was interesting that when Arizona stated they wanted to help the Federal Government, the previous administration fought it in court and won.  I believe this is the strategy being used now against some sanctuary cities.

[Dashinka 24,765]

20 hours ago, bcking said:

There are some "No wall" types for sure, I'm one of them.

 

That isn't because I like illegal immigration. I just don't see the wall as the solution and see it as a waste of energy, time and money.

So now we are calling it "No Walls"?  How is that different than "open borders"?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

8 hours ago, bcking said:

Also to answer your question -

 

It depends. Many places the standard highway speed limit is 65 mph.

 

If it wasn't properly posted for 55 mph where you were, then you may not have done anything wrong.

Do you have a link our source to back that up.  Because I am pretty sure ignorance is no excuse,.

 

5 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Well, then:  spell "Canandaigua" five times in a row, really fast.

Pick me.  I except all grammars challenged 

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Do you have a link our source to back that up.  Because I am pretty sure ignorance is no excuse,.

 

I believe it depends on the state.

 

There are standard speeds, which you must foow even if it isn't posted. If they want you to drive a speed other than the standard, it has to be posted.

 

So if the standard freeway speed is 65 mph in your state, it has to be properly posted if they want it to be 55.

 

I've gotten out of speeding tickets in California with that reasoning. Not highway speeding but entering a town the speed limit dropped by the sign was hidden behind a tree. I argued it was impossible to know that the speed limit had changed and therefore I wasn't responsible.

 

I'll look for a source.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, bcking said:

I believe it depends on the state.

 

There are standard speeds, which you must foow even if it isn't posted. If they want you to drive a speed other than the standard, it has to be posted.

 

So if the standard freeway speed is 65 mph in your state, it has to be properly posted if they want it to be 55.

 

I've gotten out of speeding tickets in California with that reasoning. Not highway speeding but entering a town the speed limit dropped by the sign was hidden behind a tree. I argued it was impossible to know that the speed limit had changed and therefore I wasn't responsible.

 

I'll look for a source.

I was joking.  I will accept you as a source 

[bcking 3,157]

2 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I was joking.  I will accept you as a source 

Naw man I should find a source. I was speaking from anecdotal experience and I should have made that clear. I preach for sources all the time, so I should keep to my own standard.

 

All I found were drivers manuals establishing "speed limit standards" (e.g. 65 mph on a highway, 30 mph on an urban road) and that in the absence of speed limit signs then you must assume those standards.

 

Nothing I found was clear about the scenario I mentioned (which I myself was in). In California I was entering a small town in Marin or Sonoma County (I forget). The road I was on was previously a 40 mph road and I was stopped because I was going over the "30 mph limit" for the town (assumed speed limit). I argued to the officer that there was nothing posted that I had entered the town yet and so it wasn't clear when the new speed limit applied. He agreed and let me off. I think it would have been an even easier case if I was going say 28 mph and he said "The speed limit is 20 mph". If a road deviates from standard speed limits, it needs to be posted (because otherwise how would you know it has deviated?). If the standard speed for a highway in a state is 65 mph but they want to enforce 55 mph, they need to post that speed otherwise you can't be faulted for assuming the standard speed.

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[Dashinka 24,765]

4 hours ago, bcking said:

I believe it depends on the state.

 

There are standard speeds, which you must foow even if it isn't posted. If they want you to drive a speed other than the standard, it has to be posted.

 

So if the standard freeway speed is 65 mph in your state, it has to be properly posted if they want it to be 55.

 

I've gotten out of speeding tickets in California with that reasoning. Not highway speeding but entering a town the speed limit dropped by the sign was hidden behind a tree. I argued it was impossible to know that the speed limit had changed and therefore I wasn't responsible.

 

I'll look for a source.

Interesting discussion regarding Michigan rules.

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/12/traffic_talk_what_is_the_speed.html

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6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Interesting discussion regarding Michigan rules.

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/12/traffic_talk_what_is_the_speed.html

When I was looking for a source I found another article discussing the difference between "presumed" and "assumed" speeding states, which I was not aware of.

 

In some states you can take your speeding ticket to court and argue that despite going over the speed limit you were still driving in a safe way (Like for example if you go 75 on the freeway in a 70 zone, but it's a clear day, Sunday morning, with no traffic). In those cases you are "presumed" to be speeding if you go over the speed limit, but ultimately speeding is defined as being unsafe so you could argue otherwise. It works both ways as well. A cop could technically ticket you for going under the speed limit if he believed conditions warranted an even slower speed. For example if the speed limit is 65 but there is dense fog, or ice etc... Seems a little more difficult to enact that side of it in practice though.

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[TBoneTX 46,058]

4 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I except all grammars challenged 

The above merits enshrinement in the pantheon of All-Time Greatest VJ Posts.

20 minutes ago, bcking said:

Naw man I should find a source.

Gift horse.  Mouth.  Look.  Don't.

[TBoneTX 46,058]

21 minutes ago, bcking said:

If a road deviates from standard speed limits, it needs to be posted

Deviant roads should be required to register and to undergo intense counseling.  This kind of behavior is unacceptable in today's "zero tolerance" society.

[Dashinka 24,765]

12 minutes ago, bcking said:

When I was looking for a source I found another article discussing the difference between "presumed" and "assumed" speeding states, which I was not aware of.

 

In some states you can take your speeding ticket to court and argue that despite going over the speed limit you were still driving in a safe way (Like for example if you go 75 on the freeway in a 70 zone, but it's a clear day, Sunday morning, with no traffic). In those cases you are "presumed" to be speeding if you go over the speed limit, but ultimately speeding is defined as being unsafe so you could argue otherwise. It works both ways as well. A cop could technically ticket you for going under the speed limit if he believed conditions warranted an even slower speed. For example if the speed limit is 65 but there is dense fog, or ice etc... Seems a little more difficult to enact that side of it in practice though.

This is one I like to see enforced.

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2016/03/left-lane_drivers_beware_state.html

[bcking 3,157]

2 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

The above merits enshrinement in the pantheon of All-Time Greatest VJ Posts.

Gift horse.  Mouth.  Look.  Don't.

No man. My reputation as a logical middle of the road occupier needs to be upheld. If I ask sources of other people, I should try to provide sources myself. I'd like to think I'm usually pretty good at it.

Just now, TBoneTX said:

Deviant roads should be required to register and to undergo intense counseling.  This kind of behavior is unacceptable in today's "zero tolerance" society.

The roads can just be closed for 24 hours for reeducation and then we should be good.