Michael Moore: Karl Marx was 'mostly right'

[Ban Hammer 13,508]

5 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Not to mention as others have pointed out the Halocaust

so that's why i don't have a halo............

[smilesammich 10,727]

22 hours ago, JimandChristy said:

We've got a tyrant in the making right now in the White House. He's almost completed his checklist!

 

Tyrant/Dictator Checklist

1. A narcissist who likes to put their name or face on buildings CHECK

2. Appoint family members to positions of power CHECK

3. Hold rallies after the election is over CHECK

4. Hates the press and uses their own propaganda outlet CHECK

5. Military Parade CHECK

6. Uses their office for their own personal financial gain CHECK

7. Align with other dictators and strongmen CHECK

8. Claim minorities are the cause of problems in this country CHECK

9. Lie so freely that people don’t know what the truth is anymore CHECK

10. Wears a military costume TBD

wait for his parade...

[Merle 458]

12 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Nice red herring there but you know full well Moore's comments and this thread are in the context of policy decisions. Not to mention as others have pointed out the Halocaust pretty much overshadows everything Hitler did in his life no matter how mundane as a wrong thing. In other words anything "right" Hitler did in his entire life is extremely small compared to the wrong of the Halocaust. So you lose the argument whether the context is policy or the whole of Hitler's life. Care to disagree with that?

You mean Moore wasn't talking about Marx being mostly right when it comes to simple math equations? Or spelling the word "cat"?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Merle said:

You mean Moore wasn't talking about Marx being mostly right when it comes to simple math equations? Or spelling the word "cat"?

 

  Moore wasn't, but obviously my statement was very general in nature. Some people want to turn everything into a philosophical debate, even when there is not one. Poor attempt at an argument to try to twist what I said and make it look like I support what Hitler and Stalin did. Some folks here need to get out more. The logic here is sometimes better suited for happy hour. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

On 5/8/2018 at 12:29 PM, Bill & Katya said:

So what was Marx right about?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2017/09/01/karl-marx-was-right/#537fe2e11fe6

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-kuttner-marx-birthday_us_5aef7840e4b0c4f19323e376

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/marx-was-right-five-surprising-ways-karl-marx-predicted-2014-20140130

 

just a sampler, lots of opinions out there.

[jg121783 3,921]

48 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Moore wasn't, but obviously my statement was very general in nature. Some people want to turn everything into a philosophical debate, even when there is not one. Poor attempt at an argument to try to twist what I said and make it look like I support what Hitler and Stalin did. Some folks here need to get out more. The logic here is sometimes better suited for happy hour. 

You are the one who said everyone is mostly right. I disagree with you. Hitler was not mostly right whether you consider his life as a whole or just policy decisions. There is no way around that. I would argue as far as major decisions in his life go WWII encompassed well over 50% of them and any reasonable person would agree virtually all of his WWII related decisions were wrong. Do you still want to argue everyone (including people like Hitler) are mostly right. I am interested in seeing how you can make such an argument. Getting back to the main topic of the thread I would also like to see a valid explanation of how Marx was mostly right.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I reckon John Wayne was mostly right, because he spent hours entertaining kids as a clown,  before he raped and killed them and buried them in his basement 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I reckon John Wayne was mostly right, because he spent hours entertaining kids as a clown,  before he raped and killed them and buried them in his basement 

 

  That's John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer. John Wayne was an actor.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

34 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

You are the one who said everyone is mostly right. I disagree with you. Hitler was not mostly right whether you consider his life as a whole or just policy decisions. There is no way around that. I would argue as far as major decisions in his life go WWII encompassed well over 50% of them and any reasonable person would agree virtually all of his WWII related decisions were wrong. Do you still want to argue everyone (including people like Hitler) are mostly right. I am interested in seeing how you can make such an argument. Getting back to the main topic of the thread I would also like to see a valid explanation of how Marx was mostly right.

 

   I think what you're missing is I wasn't making an argument. Just a general statement. I know you want an argument and I don't see one. I don't have time to argue about nothing.

 

  If it makes you feel better, let me rephrase my statement to say the vast majority of people are right most of the time.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, smilesammich said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2017/09/01/karl-marx-was-right/#537fe2e11fe6

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-kuttner-marx-birthday_us_5aef7840e4b0c4f19323e376

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/marx-was-right-five-surprising-ways-karl-marx-predicted-2014-20140130

 

just a sampler, lots of opinions out there.

Only had a brief moment to read the first link.  Which handily proves that Bernie Sanders had it all wrong when it comes to education.  Something that anyone with a lick of sense knew already.  But I appreciate you substantiating it via Marx.

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, IDWAF said:

Only had a brief moment to read the first link.  Which handily proves that Bernie Sanders had it all wrong when it comes to education.  Something that anyone with a lick of sense knew already.  But I appreciate you substantiating it via Marx.

disagree about bernie. but glad youre open minded enough to agree with some of marxist thinking, publicly.  

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  That's John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer. John Wayne was an actor.

Darn I finally typed something wrong 🤣

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

36 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

disagree about bernie. but glad youre open minded enough to agree with some of marxist thinking, publicly.  

Education will never be free.  Not sure how to explain that so that everyone can understand it.

[jg121783 3,921]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I think what you're missing is I wasn't making an argument. Just a general statement. I know you want an argument and I don't see one. I don't have time to argue about nothing.

 

  If it makes you feel better, let me rephrase my statement to say the vast majority of people are right most of the time.

That "general statement" was clearly an attempt to defend Moore's ridiculous statement about Marx. You certainly were trying to make an argument and when a reasonable counter argument was made you decided you don't want to debate.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

32 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

That "general statement" was clearly an attempt to defend Moore's ridiculous statement about Marx. You certainly were trying to make an argument and when a reasonable counter argument was made you decided you don't want to debate.

 

   Unlike you, life for me is not always about arguing with an imaginary enemy. It was an innocuous statement and if you go back and look at the context, it was not said in a way to create an argument or debate. I have said this enough times now. Your refusal to let it go says a lot about you.

 

   Just for clarification, I don't ever want to debate you JG. There is no point in doing so. I've never seen you admit you are wrong, and you certainly have been. You are not listening to what I say anyway, so if my multiple attempts to clarify this for you are not reaching you, then take it point blank, I'm not interested in arguing or debating you over this nonsense. I wasn't talking to you in the first place, and your attempt to make something out of nothing are now bordering on asinine. You have tried to take this thread of topic since the second post. Obviously you really want to argue with someone, but it's not going to be me.

 

  I hope that's clear enough for you.