South Korea president says Trump deserves Nobel Peace Prize

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Just now, bcking said:

As objective as we can be on the subject, Obama is far more intelligent than Trump, based on intellectual accomplishments.

 

That has nothing to do with who is/was a better President...but if you just want to talk about intelligence (moron/idiot) they aren't in the same league. I don't think Trump is a complete moron, I actually think he is smarter than he lets on and it much of it is part of his "act". However, you put the two in the same room and have an intellectual challenge and I have absolutely zero doubt who would come out on top. It wouldn't even be close.

 

Opinions about climate change aside, I at least have to agree that I think it was a bit of stretch that the "Peace Prize" was given to anyone (or organization, I believe he shared it?) for Climate Change research/advocacy. That's a pretty loose association to promoting "Peace". I guess peace with our planet?

I have no idea how intelligent Obama is just as I have no idea how intelligent Trump is.  Both went to Ivy League schools, one went on to become a professor (not necessarily a measure of intelligence) and a community organizer prior to being elected US Senator and President, the other went on to create a fairly successful brand in multiple industries before being elected POTUS.  One is a soft speaker that soothes people into missing when he is lying, and the other is crude and crass and often times speaks without knowing all the facts and creates a lot of "haters" that hate him for no other reason then he won the election as an outsider.

 

Do you know how smart either man is strictly on intelligence, or is it just your opinion?  

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I have no idea how intelligent Obama is just as I have no idea how intelligent Trump is.  Both went to Ivy League schools, one went on to become a professor (not necessarily a measure of intelligence) and a community organizer prior to being elected US Senator and President, the other went on to create a fairly successful brand in multiple industries before being elected POTUS.  One is a soft speaker that soothes people into missing when he is lying, and the other is crude and crass and often times speaks without knowing all the facts and creates a lot of "haters" that hate him for no other reason then he won the election as an outsider.

 

Do you know how smart either man is strictly on intelligence, or is it just your opinion?  

One went to an Ivy League undergrad school and then an Ivy League Law School, where he distinguished himself among his classmates. The other went to a fairly middle of the road undergrad for 2 years, and then transferred to an Ivy League school where he was generally not memorable from the standpoint of grades. One started with relatively little support from family and therefore achieved most of his success on his own merits, then other took wealth and created more wealth from it. I'm not minimizing Trump's achievements in business, but it is still easier to create millions from millions compared to creating it from nothing.

 

Yes ultimately it is just our opinions and as I said I don't think the word "idiot" honestly applies to either way, but I am still fairly confident in my opinion that if they were head to head in a room Trump wouldn't stand a chance.

 

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Unrelated to this topic - Trump's background is why I generally like the UK Apprentice more than I ever liked the US Apprentice show. Lord Sugar got his start literally selling stuff out of the boot of his car and is now with hundreds of millions. While not quite as wealthy as Trump, he is a better role model in my opinion for average people in terms of what they can achieve.

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42 minutes ago, bcking said:

One went to an Ivy League undergrad school and then an Ivy League Law School, where he distinguished himself among his classmates. The other went to a fairly middle of the road undergrad for 2 years, and then transferred to an Ivy League school where he was generally not memorable from the standpoint of grades. One started with relatively little support from family and therefore achieved most of his success on his own merits, then other took wealth and created more wealth from it. I'm not minimizing Trump's achievements in business, but it is still easier to create millions from millions compared to creating it from nothing.

 

Yes ultimately it is just our opinions and as I said I don't think the word "idiot" honestly applies to either way, but I am still fairly confident in my opinion that if they were head to head in a room Trump wouldn't stand a chance.

 

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Unrelated to this topic - Trump's background is why I generally like the UK Apprentice more than I ever liked the US Apprentice show. Lord Sugar got his start literally selling stuff out of the boot of his car and is now with hundreds of millions. While not quite as wealthy as Trump, he is a better role model in my opinion for average people in terms of what they can achieve.

Do you have access to his academic records? 

 

But thanks for expressing this as your opinion.  Could be right, could be wrong.  I think Obama is pretty smart myself, but I think he gets way too much credit as a great president, mediocre at best. 

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2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Do you have access to his academic records? 

 

But thanks for expressing this as your opinion.  Could be right, could be wrong.  I think Obama is pretty smart myself, but I think he gets way too much credit as a great president, mediocre at best. 

Ya I think I already said intelligence for either one will have (or did have) nothing to do with their success (or future success) as President. You can be smart and a bad President, you can be "less smart" and be a good President.

 

As for his academic records - He claims he graduated with honours but people have already reviewed the graduation from that year and he was not listed, so he has lied about that. So yes while he may have done okay, he clearly wasn't "distinguished" which is what he has claimed to have been. Obama graduated "Magna Cum Laude" from Harvard Law School, and as already has been mentioned was the Editor of the Harvard Law Review which is a distinguished honor there.

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A few things here. First of all I am not going to get into the debate of who is smarter because frankly who cares. What I do want to address however are a couple false notions I see here. First of all the idea that what college you went to and how well you did there or even if you went to college is somehow an indicator of how successful or intelligent you are is a false idea. There are plenty of self made millionaires and even billionaires who either didn't go to college or dropped out. There are also plenty of people who get into elite colleges based on who they know or are related to rather than academic achievements. College is good to learn things you need to know for certain trades but at the end of the day it isn't the real world. College is good for some people but this idea that you must go to college to be successful simply isn't true.

 

The other thing I wanted to address is this idea that Trump was only able to become successful because of his father's wealth. Trump received a million dollar loan from his father for a business venture and got his start from that. Anyone with a solid business idea who has good credit and is trustworthy could get a million dollars in financing for their idea if they tried hard enough. Maybe having his father finance his business made the process easier but it wouldn't have been impossible without his father's help. That brings me to the larger idea that you can't become wealthy or successful without rich relatives. A vast majority of new millionaires today are actually self made.

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23 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

A few things here. First of all I am not going to get into the debate of who is smarter because frankly who cares. What I do want to address however are a couple false notions I see here. First of all the idea that what college you went to and how well you did there or even if you went to college is somehow an indicator of how successful or intelligent you are is a false idea. There are plenty of self made millionaires and even billionaires who either didn't go to college or dropped out. There are also plenty of people who get into elite colleges based on who they know or are related to rather than academic achievements. College is good to learn things you need to know for certain trades but at the end of the day it isn't the real world. College is good for some people but this idea that you must go to college to be successful simply isn't true.

 

The other thing I wanted to address is this idea that Trump was only able to become successful because of his father's wealth. Trump received a million dollar loan from his father for a business venture and got his start from that. Anyone with a solid business idea who has good credit and is trustworthy could get a million dollars in financing for their idea if they tried hard enough. Maybe having his father finance his business made the process easier but it wouldn't have been impossible without his father's help. That brings me to the larger idea that you can't become wealthy or successful without rich relatives. A vast majority of new millionaires today are actually self made.

 

  One million was a trust fund. Trump himself stated the loan from his father was roughly 9 million, which in 2018, would be ~35 million adjusted for inflation. We can give Trump credit for turning that initial investment into billions, but for the sake of clarity, it would be rather difficult for most people to secure $35 million in financing based on a solid business idea, no matter how hard they work at it. 

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3 hours ago, bcking said:

Ya I think I already said intelligence for either one will have (or did have) nothing to do with their success (or future success) as President. You can be smart and a bad President, you can be "less smart" and be a good President.

 

As for his academic records - He claims he graduated with honours but people have already reviewed the graduation from that year and he was not listed, so he has lied about that. So yes while he may have done okay, he clearly wasn't "distinguished" which is what he has claimed to have been. Obama graduated "Magna Cum Laude" from Harvard Law School, and as already has been mentioned was the Editor of the Harvard Law Review which is a distinguished honor there.

Yeah but pretty much Obama only got into Occidental College or transferred to Harvard was because he pulled off the "I am a Indonesian" bit that worked for him so well.

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42 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

A few things here. First of all I am not going to get into the debate of who is smarter because frankly who cares. What I do want to address however are a couple false notions I see here. First of all the idea that what college you went to and how well you did there or even if you went to college is somehow an indicator of how successful or intelligent you are is a false idea. There are plenty of self made millionaires and even billionaires who either didn't go to college or dropped out. There are also plenty of people who get into elite colleges based on who they know or are related to rather than academic achievements. College is good to learn things you need to know for certain trades but at the end of the day it isn't the real world. College is good for some people but this idea that you must go to college to be successful simply isn't true.

 

The other thing I wanted to address is this idea that Trump was only able to become successful because of his father's wealth. Trump received a million dollar loan from his father for a business venture and got his start from that. Anyone with a solid business idea who has good credit and is trustworthy could get a million dollars in financing for their idea if they tried hard enough. Maybe having his father finance his business made the process easier but it wouldn't have been impossible without his father's help. That brings me to the larger idea that you can't become wealthy or successful without rich relatives. A vast majority of new millionaires today are actually self made.

You forget that Obama's grandparents and the people that pretty much raised him in Hawaii were pretty set as well in all honesty. He is the one who said that his grandmother hit a glass ceiling of bank vice president while he was in office.

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11 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  One million was a trust fund. Trump himself stated the loan from his father was roughly 9 million, which in 2018, would be ~35 million adjusted for inflation. We can give Trump credit for turning that initial investment into billions, but for the sake of clarity, it would be rather difficult for most people to secure $35 million in financing based on a solid business idea, no matter how hard they work at it. 

Difficult but by no means impossible.

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19 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Yeah but pretty much Obama only got into Occidental College or transferred to Harvard was because he pulled off the "I am a Indonesian" bit that worked for him so well.

You know that from what evidence?

 

18 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

You forget that Obama's grandparents and the people that pretty much raised him in Hawaii were pretty set as well in all honesty. He is the one who said that his grandmother hit a glass ceiling of bank vice president while he was in office.

I didn't suggest he came from nothing. But to my knowledge he didn't get a 7 figure loan from family to get a business started. I also not aware of his family providing any edge on acceptance into law school.

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On 5/2/2018 at 2:06 PM, JimandChristy said:

How can a moron and an idiot (Said by members of his own cabinet) be deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize? Come on we all know the Fat Orange Nixon isn't the one pulling the strings here.

I don't know but you are right, both Obama and Carter got one. 

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14 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I don't know but you are right, both Obama and Carter got one. 

 

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16 hours ago, jg121783 said:

A few things here. First of all I am not going to get into the debate of who is smarter because frankly who cares. What I do want to address however are a couple false notions I see here. First of all the idea that what college you went to and how well you did there or even if you went to college is somehow an indicator of how successful or intelligent you are is a false idea. There are plenty of self made millionaires and even billionaires who either didn't go to college or dropped out. There are also plenty of people who get into elite colleges based on who they know or are related to rather than academic achievements. College is good to learn things you need to know for certain trades but at the end of the day it isn't the real world. College is good for some people but this idea that you must go to college to be successful simply isn't true.

 

The other thing I wanted to address is this idea that Trump was only able to become successful because of his father's wealth. Trump received a million dollar loan from his father for a business venture and got his start from that. Anyone with a solid business idea who has good credit and is trustworthy could get a million dollars in financing for their idea if they tried hard enough. Maybe having his father finance his business made the process easier but it wouldn't have been impossible without his father's help. That brings me to the larger idea that you can't become wealthy or successful without rich relatives. A vast majority of new millionaires today are actually self made.

Completely agree.  I really think the Ivy League schools have this elitist mentality that makes them more than what they are, I think it is just in their collective heads.  I have worked with quite a few Ivy Leaguers that are or were quite stupid even though they graduated "with honors" from some mythical "great" school. 

 

You also have a great point relative to the thinking that college is a requirement today.  I think the schools have a great scam going getting these kids and their families go into huge debts often for nothing.  Just take a look at what Mike Rowe is promoting, there are so many trade jobs out there that pay extremely well, but many kids today ignore these for some empty promise from a University or College for a brighter future.

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I think Trump may be more suited to the Literature Prize. 

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20 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I don't know but you are right, both Obama and Carter got one. 

But I don't remember anyone in their cabinet calling them a moron or an idiot unlike the current clown in the White House.