Liberals Urge Nation To Respect Minorities’ Opinions Until Those Opinions Contradict Them

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Kanye is an idiot. Period. 

Ive been saying this since hurricane Katrina. 

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No trump supporter should be talking about the first amendment.  Simply calling any news, opinion, protest or science you disagree with "fake" is not honoring the First. 

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One of my favorite rappers is RA the Ruggedman. I agree with him  spiritually , not so much politically. Infact, he's been featured on Fox New's Redeye(?) Several times and is BFFs with Anne Coulter. 

He is a man with great lyrical ability and a man  with his own opinion.

 

The biggest thing hip hop heads value are authenticity and originality. Kanye has not been authentic or original since his mom died. 

Now he's just an ego maniac that will do anything for shock value, akin to our president. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, smilesammich said:

1. not sure what that has to do with anything.

2.so the filings were not exact. i don't care. point is, trump campaign desperately needs/wants minority support. i wouldn't be surprised if kayne's is making some dough for his recent profession of trump love. he's got a 20 million dollar house to pay for, after all.

 

So reimbursing someone for travel expenses is now considered paying them?

 

2 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Kanye is an idiot. Period. 

Ive been saying this since hurricane Katrina. 

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No trump supporter should be talking about the first amendment.  Simply calling any news, opinion, protest or science you disagree with "fake" is not honoring the First. 

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One of my favorite rappers is RA the Ruggedman. I agree with him  spiritually , not so much politically. Infact, he's been featured on Fox New's Redeye(?) Several times and is BFFs with Anne Coulter. 

He is a man with great lyrical ability and a man  with his own opinion.

 

The biggest thing hip hop heads value are authenticity and originality. Kanye has not been authentic or original since his mom died. 

Now he's just an ego maniac that will do anything for shock value, akin to our president. 

 

 

Actually calling a media outlet is covered under the first amendment and is not a violation of it. Trying to shut down said media outlets (like is being attempted against some right leaning media outlets) is a violation of the first ammendment. When did Trump attempt to shut down or censor any media oulet? The answer is never. He has his first amendment right to call them liars and they have a first amendment right to continuing lying. I'm not sure how you can justify saying Trump and his supporters shouldn't talk about the first amendment. However using your logic one could argue the left shouldn't talk about the second amendment.

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16 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

So reimbursing someone for travel expenses is now considered paying them?

 

pretty sure if we were talking about soros flying david hogg to an event - you would consider that paying him.

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2 hours ago, smilesammich said:

pretty sure if we were talking about soros flying david hogg to an event - you would consider that paying him.

Except some of the people (not sure about Hogg) who George Soros has bussed in actually do get paid in addition to their expenses.

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Just now, jg121783 said:

Except some of the people (not sure about Hogg) who George Soros has bussed in actually do get paid in addition to their expenses.

except? really, i need specifics and proof. do tell..

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2 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Actually calling a media outlet is covered under the first amendment and is not a violation of it. Trying to shut down said media outlets (like is being attempted against some right leaning media outlets) is a violation of the first ammendment. When did Trump attempt to shut down or censor any media oulet? The answer is never. He has his first amendment right to call them liars and they have a first amendment right to continuing lying. I'm not sure how you can justify saying Trump and his supporters shouldn't talk about the first amendment. However using your logic one could argue the left shouldn't talk about the second amendment.

I hate to get really specific with my wording but i said "honor" not "violate".
But i do have some examples of when Trump and his administration had no problem with oppressing another's freedom of speech:

"Roger Goodell responds to Trump’s call to ‘fire’ NFL players protesting during national anthem"

"Climate Scientists Watch Their Words, Hoping To Stave Off Funding Cuts"

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/29/564043596/climate-scientists-watch-their-words-hoping-to-stave-off-funding-cuts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/22/donald-trump-profanely-implores-nfl-owners-to-fire-players-protesting-national-anthem/?utm_term=.e4bd373b6143

 

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6 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

I hate to get really specific with my wording but i said "honor" not "violate".
But i do have some examples of when Trump and his administration had no problem with oppressing another's freedom of speech:

"Roger Goodell responds to Trump’s call to ‘fire’ NFL players protesting during national anthem"

 

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. This is simply a customer (Trump or any other football fan) complaining to a company's (NFL) management about the disrespectful and offensive conduct of their employees (players). The management of a company has the right to fire an employee who conducts them self on the job in a way that customers find offensive. You don't have the right to protest in a manner that offends a large segment of the customer base while you are on the job working for your employer unless you want to risk being fired at your employer's discression.

 

6 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

"Climate Scientists Watch Their Words, Hoping To Stave Off Funding Cuts"

No freedom of speech violations here either. These scientists can use whatever phrases they want. They are choosing to self censor in order to be deceptive about their intentions to obtain funding they are not entitled to.

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5 hours ago, jg121783 said:

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. This is simply a customer (Trump or any other football fan) complaining to a company's (NFL) management about the disrespectful and offensive conduct of their employees (players). The management of a company has the right to fire an employee who conducts them self on the job in a way that customers find offensive. You don't have the right to protest in a manner that offends a large segment of the customer base while you are on the job working for your employer unless you want to risk being fired at your employer's discression.

 

No freedom of speech violations here either. These scientists can use whatever phrases they want. They are choosing to self censor in order to be deceptive about their intentions to obtain funding they are not entitled to.

Trump is not a simple "customer". 

this is a government official telling a private entity to fire one of its employees for expressing themselves. He can't just take off his public servant hat and put on his private hat when he wants to

 

I am not allowed to give my employee discount to any government official and this includes family members. Them being potential "customers" is not a legal excuse because they are always considered a public official. 

 

With the scientists.. 

The EPA (aka government) is starting to censor normal language due to politics. So scientist are fearing that the government may pull funding unless they reword their grant proposals to satisfy a political need. 

 

This is litterally limiting freedom of speech. 

These scientist aren't government employees but private employees seeking grant money. And are being judged based on their "political correctness" instead of their scientific content. 

 

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African American protests and climate science are two thing Trump supporters don't like. 

They make this utterly obvious by showing their lack of support for the first amendment when it comes to these issues. 

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But West is quick to say, “See that’s the problem with this damn nation. All blacks gotta be Democrats. Man, we ain’t made it off the plantation.”

 

http://people.com/music/kanye-west-new-song-ye-vs-the-people-explain-behavior/

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38 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

Trump is not a simple "customer". 

this is a government official telling a private entity to fire one of its employees for expressing themselves. He can't just take off his public servant hat and put on his private hat when he wants to

Trump has no more power to make the NFL fire anyone than the rest of us have. It is irrelevant if he is president or not. He is not restricting anyone's freedom of speech while exercising his own freedom of speech. Like I said freedom of speech doesn't apply when you are working for an employer unless you want to risk being fired for offending customers.

 

41 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

I am not allowed to give my employee discount to any government official and this includes family members. Them being potential "customers" is not a legal excuse because they are always considered a public official. 

Not sure what this has to do with anything.

 

42 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

With the scientists.. 

The EPA (aka government) is starting to censor normal language due to politics. So scientist are fearing that the government may pull funding unless they reword their grant proposals to satisfy a political need. 

 

This is litterally limiting freedom of speech. 

These scientist aren't government employees but private employees seeking grant money. And are being judged based on their "political correctness" instead of their scientific content. 

Not a freedom of speech issue. This is an issue of the government changing policies on what is and isn't funded. The scientists are changing their wording in an attempt to get funds they aren't entitled to. No one is forcing them to use or not use certain phrases. They are making the choice voluntarily.

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34 minutes ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

African American protests and climate science are two thing Trump supporters don't like. 

They make this utterly obvious by showing their lack of support for the first amendment when it comes to these issues. 

I have no idea what you are talking about as far as African American protests go. Care to give any examples? As far as climate science goes Trump supporters have no problem with that. What we do have a problem with is a cult operating under the guise of science. No matter how many times you assert it you have not given a single example of freedom of speech being restricted by Trump.

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1 hour ago, jg121783 said:

I have no idea what you are talking about as far as African American protests go. Care to give any examples? As far as climate science goes Trump supporters have no problem with that. What we do have a problem with is a cult operating under the guise of science. No matter how many times you assert it you have not given a single example of freedom of speech being restricted by Trump.

No idea?

Black lives matter.

Kneeling during the national anthem. 

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A lot of people do not support hate organisations

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2 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

No idea?

Black lives matter.

Kneeling during the national anthem. 

And Trump is blocking or attempting to block their free speech how?