AP Poll: 78 Percent Say Public School Teachers Aren’t Paid Enough

[Boiler 45,482]

1 minute ago, bcking said:

Teaching will never attract people through salaries. In a capitalistic society there will always be many more lucrative jobs for people who are intelligent. 

 

No way around that without socialism and that is clearly the devil's work.

Which Socialist Country pays Teachers so well? Cuba? Venezuela?

[Unidentified 2,930]

I work at a private school as a teacher's assistant and I am not paid enough and I know that people in public schools in my area are getting paid less than I am. I think it is awful that schools are not funded properly. Children are our future and we're not helping them by not being able to afford materials etc for them. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

33 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Which Socialist Country pays Teachers so well? Cuba? Venezuela?

Germany, France, Japan, Nordic countries..

[Boiler 45,482]

1 minute ago, Amica Nostra said:

Germany, France, Japan, Nordic countries..

I said Socialist.

[Unidentified 2,930]

1 minute ago, Amica Nostra said:

Germany, France, Japan, Nordic countries..

Not socialist and at least in Sweden teacher's are not paid well.

[bcking 3,157]

36 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Which Socialist Country pays Teachers so well? Cuba? Venezuela?

I didn't mean to suggest a specific socialist country does it now, I was just saying that it would require a redistribution of wealth since a teacher's job doesn't inherently generate money.

 

They will never be paid like someone who actually makes money. They are a social service and therefore need to be supported by the community as a whole. Same with police, fire etc...

[bcking 3,157]

4 minutes ago, Amica Nostra said:

Germany, France, Japan, Nordic countries..

A study OPEC countries actually found we (USA) aren't that bad compared to other countries. We're like number 5.

 

I don't have the link on my phone but I can find it later. It's also not hard to find in Google.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

8 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I said Socialist.

guess that depends upon your definition of Socialist

Edited April 24, 2018 by Amica Nostra

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

36 minutes ago, bcking said:

Teaching will never attract people through salaries. In a capitalistic society there will always be many more lucrative jobs for people who are intelligent. 

 

No way around that without socialism and that is clearly the devil's work.

 

EDIT: 

Though keep in mind that with a 10% reduction in military spending we could double our education budget.

They don't have to make more per se. 

Just enough to be able to pursue "The American dream". 

 

And yeah that Military budget is ridiculous. 

[Unidentified 2,930]

1 minute ago, bcking said:

A study OPEC countries actually found we (USA) aren't that bad compared to other countries. We're like number 5.

 

I don't have the link on my phone but I can find it later. It's also not hard to find in Google.

5th in what? Paying teachers or education?

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

40 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Which Socialist Country pays Teachers so well? Cuba? Venezuela?

Those would also be considered relatively poor countries. 

3 minutes ago, Amica Nostra said:

guess depends upon your definition of Socialist

Haven't you heard ? 

it's a dirty word according to Fox News.

[Unidentified 2,930]

Just now, Keith & Arileidi said:

Those would also be considered relatively poor countries. 

Haven't you heard ? 

it's a dirty word according to Fox News.

Most people are using it in the wrong context.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

merican teachers are underpaid.

More specifically, American teachers are underpaid when compared to teachers in the nations we compete with. Let me begin with a picture showing how we compare to Finland—everyone’s favorite educational success story and a country not noted for paying its teachers especially well. Then we’ll talk some about the right way to make international teacher salary comparisons. After that, some more data.

Even against modest-paying Finland, American teachers are underpaid. If we wanted to raise the relative salaries of American teachers to the level seen in Finland, we’d require a 10 percent raise for primary school teachers, an 18 percent raise in lower secondary, and a 28 percent raise for upper secondary school teachers.

What is the right way to make international comparisons of teacher salaries? The answer depends on why you think salaries are important. Is it because someone with a particular set of qualifications deserves a certain level of pay? Or perhaps some general level of fairness or equity? To an economist, the answer is rather different: you want to pay enough to attract really good people to become teachers in the first place and to remain in teaching rather than bailing out for a more lucrative career. That means that the right way to compare across countries is to look at how teacher pay within the country compares to pay in alternative careers that a person might consider when deciding whether to become a teacher.

The OECD has put together a set of comparisons of teacher pay to earnings of all college graduates. These are the numbers shown in the chart above, and the numbers used throughout this post. You can see in the chart that both Finland and the United States pay teachers less than they pay other college graduates, but Finland gets notably closer than we do.

 

I picked Finland for the comparison in the chart above because, well because lots of countries aspire to be Finland when it comes to education. While paying better than the U.S., Finland is pretty much an average player when it comes to teacher pay. Most of the developed countries with which we compete pay much better. Here’s the relevant picture taken directly from the OECD’s Education at a Glance 2015.

The quick lesson is that in most industrialized countries relative teacher pay is higher than in the United States. To see the gap in a different way, the next chart tells how much the U.S. would have to raise upper secondary salaries to match relative salaries in a variety of other countries. Just as we saw for the example of Finland in the opening graphic, the gaps are even larger for upper secondary than for lower secondary.

 

Related Books

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  Teachers for the 21st Century

  By Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development OECD

  2013
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  Education Governance for the Twenty-First Century

  Edited by Paul Manna and Patrick McGuinn

  2013
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  Strife and Progress

  By Paul T. Hill, Christine Campbell, and Betheny Gross

  2012

 

While American salaries aren’t the lowest, many other countries not only pay better, but the gap is really, really big.

The simple summary: Other countries make teaching a more financially attractive career for college graduates than we do.

 

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Teacher Pay Around the world

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Professor of Economics - University of California, Santa Barbara

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2016/06/20/teacher-pay-around-the-world/

The facts are the facts. But allow me to predict one response to these facts: “Teachers aren’t motivated by money, they teach because they love it.” Often true. And I’ve noticed that the people who say that teachers teach for love are quite often themselves very good teachers. Indeed, it’s hard to imagine someone who teaches well who doesn’t like their students. However, it’s very easy to imagine many, many potential teachers—who would also love their students just as much—who have made the decision to forego a teaching career in order to better provide for their family.

Dollars aren’t the only thing that determines career choice. Prestige and working conditions matter too. (Finland pays a fair amount better than the U.S. The prestige attached to being a teacher is enormously higher.) My guess is that being a teacher has both more prestige and better working conditions in other industrialized countries than here at home. (How do administrators treat teachers? How do parents treat teachers? Heck even, how do students treat teachers?) No data though, so either facts or anecdotes from those who know more about teaching in other countries are in order.

Last word: Making teaching a financially more attractive career isn’t the only thing that matters for who teaches. It does matter though, and probably it matters a lot.

Editor’s Note: Updated on June 27, 2016 to replace the first chart and rectify a labeling error that used “percentage increase” rather than “percentage point increase.”

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

2 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Most people are using it in the wrong context.

True. 

 

[bcking 3,157]

19 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

5th in what? Paying teachers or education?

Paying teachers

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/teacher-salaries-by-country-2016-1