K1 I-129F Proof Of Relationship

[MrMoore 0]

Hey all, just a quick question...

I am a little confused and I was wondering if proof of relationship goes with the I-129F packet?

[Tram Le 26]

Yes, need proof of relationship 

[MrMoore 0]

2 minutes ago, Tram Le said:

Yes, need proof of relationship 

as well as proof having met within the last 2 years? and for that is it all the times or just the 1 most recent?

 

[Tram Le 26]

1 minute ago, MrMoore said:

as well as proof having met within the last 2 years? and for that is it all the times or just the 1 most recent?

 

How many time did you visit her in the last 2 years? You need to print of the pictures that you guys have together in those trips, choose randomly, you don't have to print all of them. More evidences will make your case stronger. 

[JFH 12,191]

36 minutes ago, MrMoore said:

Hey all, just a quick question...

I am a little confused and I was wondering if proof of relationship goes with the I-129F packet?

Have you read the instructions? They are found on the USCIS website, same page as the I-129F is downloaded from. 

 

For the petition to be approved, you need to demonstrate the following:

 

- the petitioner is a USC

- you two are legally free and eligible to marry (any previous marriages ended lawfully, not related in a way that would make marriage illegal, old enough, not currently married to each other)

- that you intend to marry each other within 90 days of the beneficiary's arrival (signed statement does the job on that)

- that you have met face-to-face within the last two years

- that you have not committed a crime that would prevent you from petitioning

 

That's it. 

 

Everything else is decided at the interview. You can send evidence of an ongoing relationship so that the embassy receives it but it's not required for the approval of the petition (note that an approved petition does not mean the visa will be approved - all the petition does is establish that there is a legal route for the alien to apply for a visa). 

[MrMoore 0]

1 minute ago, JFH said:

Have you read the instructions? They are found on the USCIS website, same page as the I-129F is downloaded from. 

 

For the petition to be approved, you need to demonstrate the following:

 

- the petitioner is a USC

- you two are legally free and eligible to marry (any previous marriages ended lawfully, not related in a way that would make marriage illegal, old enough, not currently married to each other)

- that you intend to marry each other within 90 days of the beneficiary's arrival (signed statement does the job on that)

- that you have met face-to-face within the last two years

- that you have not committed a crime that would prevent you from petitioning

 

That's it. 

 

Everything else is decided at the interview. You can send evidence of an ongoing relationship so that the embassy receives it but it's not required for the approval of the petition (note that an approved petition does not mean the visa will be approved - all the petition does is establish that there is a legal route for the alien to apply for a visa). 

is it worth sending the proof of relationship with the original packet? some say do and some say it doesn't matter?

 

[MrMoore 0]

33 minutes ago, Tram Le said:

How many time did you visit her in the last 2 years? You need to print of the pictures that you guys have together in those trips, choose randomly, you don't have to print all of them. More evidences will make your case stronger. 

In the last 2 years we were in Japan together then she visited me in England and Europe for 4 weeks and met my family etc. Then for Thanksgiving I went to visit her for 4 weeks in the USA and met her family. Then we travelled for 15 months and lived together in Australia and I just visited for 6 weeks and arrived back to England a few days ago. 

Would I document all of that or just the most recent? also how thorough does it need to be... just pictures and small description??

 

[JFH 12,191]

4 minutes ago, MrMoore said:

is it worth sending the proof of relationship with the original packet? some say do and some say it doesn't matter?

 

London embassy? Not really necessary. 

 

By the way, it's evidence of a relationship you would be sending, not proof. The only way you could "prove" your intentions in the relationship are genuine would be for the embassy to read your mind. Impossible. 

[MrMoore 0]

So with the I-129F we just send proof of meeting in the last 2 years and then in my embassy interview in London at the end of the process I take the Evidence of Relationship and plead my case. 

[John & Rose 7,239]

3 hours ago, MrMoore said:

So with the I-129F we just send proof of meeting in the last 2 years and then in my embassy interview in London at the end of the process I take the Evidence of Relationship and plead my case. 

We used a few pictures from each of my visits.  While I was only trying to prove we met, there was some residual proof of an ongoing relationship.  Don't overthink it too much.  Give them what they ask for and if that also shows an ongoing relationship it won't hurt you.  I do not believe that it is a good idea to send too much proof with the petition.  It is up to you to decide what is too much though.  Meet the requirements and be prepared for the interview.

[Tram Le 26]

6 hours ago, MrMoore said:

In the last 2 years we were in Japan together then she visited me in England and Europe for 4 weeks and met my family etc. Then for Thanksgiving I went to visit her for 4 weeks in the USA and met her family. Then we travelled for 15 months and lived together in Australia and I just visited for 6 weeks and arrived back to England a few days ago. 

Would I document all of that or just the most recent? also how thorough does it need to be... just pictures and small description??

 

Wow, that is great. You need to get a few pictures of those trips (it's up to you, 7-10 pics for each trip or more) document  all of that not just most recent, dont forget the evidence of the first time you guys met in person. And you need to have the i-129f supplement that is for part 2, question 54 in the form,  describe the circumstances of your in person meeting. Going with pictures are the flight tickets, hotel bills... Believe  me the uscis will look at your case very very very carefull there, they have 6-9 months for reading and investigating your case, they will have their decision after that, the interview is just for telling you their decision. Beside you just have 3-5 minutes for the interview, they will not have time to look at your evidences. 

[MrMoore 0]

53 minutes ago, Tram Le said:

Wow, that is great. You need to get a few pictures of those trips (it's up to you, 7-10 pics for each trip or more) document  all of that not just most recent, dont forget the evidence of the first time you guys met in person. And you need to have the i-129f supplement that is for part 2, question 54 in the form,  describe the circumstances of your in person meeting. Going with pictures are the flight tickets, hotel bills... Believe  me the uscis will look at your case very very very carefull there, they have 6-9 months for reading and investigating your case, they will have their decision after that, the interview is just for telling you their decision. Beside you just have 3-5 minutes for the interview, they will not have time to look at your evidences. 

So my Question 54 supplement has become rather lengthy (20 pages or so and it may grow more) is that overkill or acceptable considering that we haven't really been apart the last 2 years very much? That is the description of how we met along with small description of each trip along with pics, boarding passes, passport stamps and Airbnb/ hotel receipts?

Evidence of ongoing relationship would be what happens between now and the interview at the end so i would do the same for everything that transpires over the next several months for then right?

[Loren Y 2,756]

1 hour ago, Tram Le said:

Wow, that is great. You need to get a few pictures of those trips (it's up to you, 7-10 pics for each trip or more) document  all of that not just most recent, dont forget the evidence of the first time you guys met in person. And you need to have the i-129f supplement that is for part 2, question 54 in the form,  describe the circumstances of your in person meeting. Going with pictures are the flight tickets, hotel bills... Believe  me the uscis will look at your case very very very carefull there, they have 6-9 months for reading and investigating your case, they will have their decision after that, the interview is just for telling you their decision. Beside you just have 3-5 minutes for the interview, they will not have time to look at your evidences. 

I honestly do not think they are spending 6-9 months on each petition, over 37,000 petitions were filed last year, 6 months each, no way. Your petition sits in a box for about 6 months, then gets moved to someones desk/cubical, then they look at the 129F evidence, they adjudicate your petition in less than a day ( I have heard an average USCIS employee can do 15-20 petitions a day, don't take that as fact), assuming you have everything required for the 129F they approve and forward on to NVC. Just because USCIS says you meet the requirements I doubt they even look at the evidence of the relationship any farther than you met within 2 years, and that's a quick glance at your passport entry and exit stamps to verify you were in the same country at the right time. And I am also pretty sure USCIS has nothing to do with the final decision, That is all done at the embassy stage before and during the interview. The CO is the person who says Yes or no to the visa, and they get to review the whole file before you show up for the interview, so they already have their mind mostly made up before you even sit down, and if they need more time welcome to AP.  If USCIS was making the decisions do you really think they are going to waste time and money sending your package to NVC, and then on to the embassy just to tell you in person yes or no( but I guess that would be job security and the chance to bilk you out of a medical exam and 260.00 visa fee), they can do that with a letter( and sometimes they do with a RFE, they ask for more evidence and if you don't provide it your petition is done). This is how I see it working, but maybe I have it wrong, but I think I am pretty close. I have many many hours researching the process, but maybe someone else can shed some more light on the process. And feel free to correct my thoughts on how it works, all I know is brace for the long haul, because anything immigration is a long road. I started this trip in December 2017, and if my fiancee is here by December 2018 I'll be throwing a party! A bigger party than after the wedding LOL.

[DavidandJen 15]

Sounds to me like you met your USC partner while teaching English in Japan? Me too. I also went through the London embassy.

 

I've just had a flick through my K1 packet to remind me and it looks like we submitted the confirmation emails of flights I took to visit my fiancé in the US, along with the passport stamps to prove I actually took those flights, some evidences of travels together such as a ferry to Ireland that had both our names on it and some hotel bookings in both our names, then 6 photos, including one with each of our families, half a dozen emails between us and maybe ten pages of Skype conversation screenshots, so the IO could see that we were in frequent communication. We also included some stuff that showed where we were residing in Japan and how close the towns we were teaching in were. That's all.

 

Going through the London embassy is not stressful. You won't be asked to "argue your case" during your interview; my interview was a really short chat and she didn't ask to see any ongoing relationship evidence. Aim to give the people reviewing your file a comprehensive idea of your relationship without becoming repetitive or wordy. 

[geowrian 22,338]

2 hours ago, MrMoore said:

So my Question 54 supplement has become rather lengthy (20 pages or so and it may grow more) is that overkill or acceptable considering that we haven't really been apart the last 2 years very much? That is the description of how we met along with small description of each trip along with pics, boarding passes, passport stamps and Airbnb/ hotel receipts?

Twenty pages?? Mine fit on the I-129F itself. Some people need a little more space to fit something. This should then be backed up with supporting evidence, such as the boarding passes/receipts/etc.

 

They are looking for how you met in person within the past 2 years, not a life story or evolution of the relationship. Nobody is going to read 20 pages of text to figure out when you met.