New Jersey Becomes 13th State to Adopt Automatic Voter Registration

[Boiler 45,518]

Easy, you get everybody to register and check their eligibility, make it an obligation, like O Care.

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

11 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I am all for automatic registration, just as I am all for proving one's identity for voting.  The one thing I wonder is will the DMVs/SOSs be accessing federal, state and local records to make sure they are registering someone that is actually eligible to vote, or simply just registering anyone regardless if they are a USC, LPR, legal or illegal alien?

Voter fraud is not a wide spread problem now so I doubt it'll be wide spread if they start automatically registering citizens. 

 

I know that I didn't use ID when I originally registered to vote. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by Keith & Arileidi

[Boiler 45,518]

Think the issue is that they register everybody if you are not careful.

[bcking 3,157]

2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Think the issue is that they register everybody if you are not careful.

Do we have data to support that from states that have been doing it for awhile? Oregon etc...

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Think the issue is that they register everybody if you are not careful.

Why are you so afraid of them voting? 

[Boiler 45,518]

1 minute ago, bcking said:

Do we have data to support that from states that have been doing it for awhile? Oregon etc...

I have seen lots of posts over the years from people who have been registered by the DMV and who are not citizens, obviously claiming to be a USC is about the biggest no no and could well get you deported.

Just now, Keith & Arileidi said:

Why are you so afraid of them voting? 

Would not want to see them deported for doing so.

[bcking 3,157]

7 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I have seen lots of posts over the years from people who have been registered by the DMV and who are not citizens, obviously claiming to be a USC is about the biggest no no and could well get you deported.

Would not want to see them deported for doing so.

Do we have data beyond anecdotes?

 

I'm not trying to be mean I'm just seriously asking. Oregon has had this system for a couple years now. It would be handy to have retrospective data on rates of incorrect registration.

 

[Boiler 45,518]

Just now, bcking said:

Do we have data beyond anecdotes?

 

I'm not trying to be mean I'm just seriously asking. Oregon has had this system for a couple years now. It would be handy to have retrospective data on rates of incorrect registration.

 

They were not anecdotes, well OK I never take everything I see on here as the truth the whole truth etc, but I really doubt people would make up such issues.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 minutes ago, bcking said:

Do we have data beyond anecdotes?

 

I'm not trying to be mean I'm just seriously asking. Oregon has had this system for a couple years now. It would be handy to have retrospective data on rates of incorrect registration.

 

Even with data , Oregon is 100 % outliers 

 

[bcking 3,157]

2 minutes ago, Amica Nostra said:

Even with data , Oregon is 100 % outliers 

 

I'm aware. Born and raised in Portland

 

https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/15/voter-fraud-oregon-november-election-dennis-richardson/671503001/

 

1 case in 38,000 ballots isn't bad. Wonder how that compares to other states? Though it looks to only be cases where people voted in two states, or voted twice, or voted for a dead person. No "illegal" voter fraud identified (not because it doesn't exist, but the system they used wasn't looking for it).

 

I'll keep google searching.

Edited April 18, 2018 by bcking

[yuna628 9,676]

6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

They were not anecdotes, well OK I never take everything I see on here as the truth the whole truth etc, but I really doubt people would make up such issues.

I don't believe they would make it up either. It's a serious thing... it's not like the person even attempted to vote or wanted to sign up to vote or misunderstood (I think there have been a rare few here that did it intentionally or misunderstood?).. it's just that the DMV did it intentionally without their knowledge or consent. That has real immigration consequences.

[bcking 3,157]

25 minutes ago, Boiler said:

They were not anecdotes, well OK I never take everything I see on here as the truth the whole truth etc, but I really doubt people would make up such issues.

Perhaps anecdote was exactly the right word. 

 

It's very different to have random "personal examples" versus an actual study that examined a set of voters and how many were illegal. I'm sure there are random "examples" where it occurs, because on system will ever be 100% perfect. I was looking for actual data on whether automatic voter registration has made the problem worse or not. Random "I've heard of people" or "Someone posted once" don't really help provide an understanding of how often it happens. That's why I said I wasn't trying to attack you when I asked for real data. Personally I'd also believe the people here but they are still ultimately just those individual accounts and not anything actually studied in some controlled way. 

 

Honestly all I can find is a couple of news articles quoting the Oregon State Department:

 

http://www.kgw.com/article/news/politics/only-2-non-citizens-accused-of-trying-to-vote-in-oregon-last-year/392997714

 

But it doesn't go into much detail unfortunately. Perhaps someone else can click on the "records show" link. It's blocked in my office.

Edited April 18, 2018 by bcking

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

7 hours ago, bcking said:

So do you agree that an automatic process for eligible voters is reasonable?

 

I do think that it is reasonable because you have to show valid proof of identification in order to get a DL. So this is nipping in the butt what people are saying about how proof of id for voting is some how discriminatory and racist.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

3 hours ago, Keith & Arileidi said:

ID checks are fine as long as you are willing to pay tax dollars to help these citzen get their IDs. 

 

If not, then you are simply trying to suppress someone's vote. 

When NC's law was in effect the state offered to give everyone a valid state id card in order to vote..... People still called it discriminatory and racist.

4 hours ago, Boiler said:

Isn't the problem we see here where people who are not Citizens have been registered.

 

I think it is is racist to require ID.

How is it racist????

[yuna628 9,676]

3 minutes ago, bcking said:

Perhaps anecdote was exactly the right word. 

 

It's very different to have random "personal examples" versus an actual study that examined a set of voters and how many were illegal. I'm sure there are random "examples" where it occurs, because on system will ever be 100% perfect. I was looking for actual data on whether automatic voter registration has made the problem worse or not. Random "I've heard of people" or "Someone posted once" don't really help provide an understanding of how often it happens. That's why I said I wasn't trying to attack you when I asked for real data. Personally I'd also believe the people here but they are still ultimately just those individual accounts and not anything actually studied in some controlled way. 

 

Honestly all I can find is a couple of news articles quoting the Oregon State Department:

 

http://www.kgw.com/article/news/politics/only-2-non-citizens-accused-of-trying-to-vote-in-oregon-last-year/392997714

 

But it doesn't go into much detail unfortunately. Perhaps someone else can click on the "records show" link. It's blocked in my office.

There was an instance in Vermont where non-citizens were forcibly registered due to a clerical error. Similar cases in Pennsylvania too.