ABC: Comey compares Trump to mob boss

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Just now, Bill & Katya said:

Agreed, Washington sets the bar very low.

Which hasn't at all been helped with Trump in office. 

 

You can't blame people. When you see the highest office holder in the country setting a low bar for integrity, it would be normal to wonder "why bother?".

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

Which hasn't at all been helped with Trump in office. 

 

You can't blame people. When you see the highest office holder in the country setting a low bar for integrity, it would be normal to wonder "why bother?".

..and Obama, and Bush, and Clinton.  You can also add in Pelosi, Chucky, that idiot from Nevada, McConnel, and all the others.

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3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Agreed, Washington sets the bar very low.

Which makes it hilarious to hear that Donald John Trump is the *drainer of the swamp"

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1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

..and Obama, and Bush, and Clinton.  You can also add in Pelosi, Chucky, that idiot from Nevada, McConnel, and all the others.

They all have lied, sure. But objectively there have been more untruths told by President Trump in his single year in office than any of them. Possibly a few of them combined.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/01/20/president-trump-made-2140-false-or-misleading-claims-in-his-first-year/?utm_term=.9038bf4f14ff

 

My favorite line from the article (Should get a laugh out of just about anyone):

 

"By our count, there were only 56 days — or about 15 percent of the time — on which we recorded no claims. These were often days when the president golfed."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/14/opinion/sunday/trump-lies-obama-who-is-worse.html

 

(They excluded repeat lies...which helped Trump a little bit)

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Sadly it seems you can fit Obama's "blatant lies" into one easy page:

 

FEB. 24, 2009.“We import more oil today than ever before.” (Oil imports peaked in 2005.)

MAR. 10, 2009.“Our high school dropout rate has tripled in the past thirty years.”(It had actually declined by a third.)

JUNE 1, 2009.“If you actually took the number of Muslims [sic] Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.” (Almost 60 other countries were home to more Muslims.)

JUNE 11, 2009.“No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.” (Some people had to switch plans as a result of the Affordable Care Act)

SEPT. 9, 2009.“One man from Illinois lost his coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because his insurer found that he hadn't reported gallstones that he didn't even know about. They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it.” (Delayed treatment didn't cause his death.)

DEC. 3, 2009.“I mentioned that I was in Asia on this trip, thinking about the economy. When I sat down for a round of interviews, not one of them asked me about Asia. Not one of them asked me about the economy.” (Several journalists did ask.)

SECOND YEAR

APRIL 21, 2010.“The vast majority of the money I got was from small donors all across the country.” (It wasn't.)

SEPT. 20, 2010.“Keep in mind the previous administration had been helping them, giving billions of dollars and just asking nothing in return.” (The Bush administration imposed multiple conditions on auto companies.)

THIRD YEAR

MAY 10, 2011.“Doubled our exports.” (Exports increased by less than half.)

JUN. 29, 2011.“What I have done – and this is unprecedented, by the way, no administration has done this before – is I’ve said to each agency, 'Don't just look at current regulations – or don't just look at future regulations, regulations that we’re proposing. Let’s go backwards and look at regulations that are already on the books, and if they don't make sense, let’s get rid of them.'” (Several previous administrations did.)

FOURTH YEAR

FEB. 17, 2012.“American manufacturers are hiring for the first time since 1990.”(Manufacturing employment grew at times during the 1990s.)

SEPT. 20, 2012.“I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration.” (The program began under Obama.)

FIFTH YEAR

MARCH 1, 2013.“The janitor, the security guards, they just got a pay cut and they've got to figure out how to manage that.” (Their pay wasn't cut.)

SEPT. 4, 2013.“First of all, I didn’t set a red line; the world set a red line.” (He did set a red line.)

SIXTH YEAR

MAR. 11, 2014.“Most young Americans right now, they’re not covered.” (Most were.)

MAY 7, 2014.“Since 2007, [Republicans] have filibustered about 500 pieces of legislation that would help the middle class.” (The real number was closer to 50.)

SEPT. 7, 2014.“I wasn’t specifically referring to ISIL” (He was.)

 

EIGHTH YEAR

JUNE 29, 2016.“I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was.” (Steel production peaked in 1973.)

 

I won't do the same with Trump. It would overload this website.

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45 minutes ago, bcking said:

They all have lied, sure. But objectively there have been more untruths told by President Trump in his single year in office than any of them. Possibly a few of them combined.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/01/20/president-trump-made-2140-false-or-misleading-claims-in-his-first-year/?utm_term=.9038bf4f14ff

 

My favorite line from the article (Should get a laugh out of just about anyone):

 

"By our count, there were only 56 days — or about 15 percent of the time — on which we recorded no claims. These were often days when the president golfed."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/14/opinion/sunday/trump-lies-obama-who-is-worse.html

 

(They excluded repeat lies...which helped Trump a little bit)

Objectively?  I could agree with subjectively, but you have to admit being a soft spoken politician does give a feeling they are telling the truth.  Clinton, Bush and Obama all had that talent. 

 

Not sure WaPo can be counted on to be objective.

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46 minutes ago, bcking said:

Sadly it seems you can fit Obama's "blatant lies" into one easy page:

 

FEB. 24, 2009.“We import more oil today than ever before.” (Oil imports peaked in 2005.)

MAR. 10, 2009.“Our high school dropout rate has tripled in the past thirty years.”(It had actually declined by a third.)

JUNE 1, 2009.“If you actually took the number of Muslims [sic] Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.” (Almost 60 other countries were home to more Muslims.)

JUNE 11, 2009.“No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.” (Some people had to switch plans as a result of the Affordable Care Act)

SEPT. 9, 2009.“One man from Illinois lost his coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because his insurer found that he hadn't reported gallstones that he didn't even know about. They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it.” (Delayed treatment didn't cause his death.)

DEC. 3, 2009.“I mentioned that I was in Asia on this trip, thinking about the economy. When I sat down for a round of interviews, not one of them asked me about Asia. Not one of them asked me about the economy.” (Several journalists did ask.)

SECOND YEAR

APRIL 21, 2010.“The vast majority of the money I got was from small donors all across the country.” (It wasn't.)

SEPT. 20, 2010.“Keep in mind the previous administration had been helping them, giving billions of dollars and just asking nothing in return.” (The Bush administration imposed multiple conditions on auto companies.)

THIRD YEAR

MAY 10, 2011.“Doubled our exports.” (Exports increased by less than half.)

JUN. 29, 2011.“What I have done – and this is unprecedented, by the way, no administration has done this before – is I’ve said to each agency, 'Don't just look at current regulations – or don't just look at future regulations, regulations that we’re proposing. Let’s go backwards and look at regulations that are already on the books, and if they don't make sense, let’s get rid of them.'” (Several previous administrations did.)

FOURTH YEAR

FEB. 17, 2012.“American manufacturers are hiring for the first time since 1990.”(Manufacturing employment grew at times during the 1990s.)

SEPT. 20, 2012.“I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration.” (The program began under Obama.)

FIFTH YEAR

MARCH 1, 2013.“The janitor, the security guards, they just got a pay cut and they've got to figure out how to manage that.” (Their pay wasn't cut.)

SEPT. 4, 2013.“First of all, I didn’t set a red line; the world set a red line.” (He did set a red line.)

SIXTH YEAR

MAR. 11, 2014.“Most young Americans right now, they’re not covered.” (Most were.)

MAY 7, 2014.“Since 2007, [Republicans] have filibustered about 500 pieces of legislation that would help the middle class.” (The real number was closer to 50.)

SEPT. 7, 2014.“I wasn’t specifically referring to ISIL” (He was.)

 

EIGHTH YEAR

JUNE 29, 2016.“I mean, the steel industry is producing as much steel in the United States as it ever was.” (Steel production peaked in 1973.)

 

I won't do the same with Trump. It would overload this website.

Interesting, I think they missed a bit.  I do love the if you like your doctor lie, kind of a whopper on that one.

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Before you ask, here is the rebuttal to the NYTimes puff piece on Obama.

 

Donald Trump has been flogging the truth and twisting facts since the day he arrived in the Oval Office. But anyone who expected more candor from him as president than on the campaign trail was criminally naive. The real mystery nowadays is why the media seeks to expunge the falsehoods of prior presidents.

“Trump’s Lies versus Obama’s” was the headline in a Sunday Review New York Times piece aiming to drive a final coffin nail into Trump’s credibility. The Times claimed Trump has already “told nearly six times as many falsehoods as Obama did during his entire (8-year) presidency.”  The columnists seem so distraught that it is surprising the article is not in all caps.

But the Times’ list of falsehoods is itself a charade with gaping Montana-sized holes.

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365393-how-quickly-ny-times-forgets-obamas-lies-and-frauds

 

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36 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Before you ask, here is the rebuttal to the NYTimes puff piece on Obama.

 

Donald Trump has been flogging the truth and twisting facts since the day he arrived in the Oval Office. But anyone who expected more candor from him as president than on the campaign trail was criminally naive. The real mystery nowadays is why the media seeks to expunge the falsehoods of prior presidents.

“Trump’s Lies versus Obama’s” was the headline in a Sunday Review New York Times piece aiming to drive a final coffin nail into Trump’s credibility. The Times claimed Trump has already “told nearly six times as many falsehoods as Obama did during his entire (8-year) presidency.”  The columnists seem so distraught that it is surprising the article is not in all caps.

But the Times’ list of falsehoods is itself a charade with gaping Montana-sized holes.

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365393-how-quickly-ny-times-forgets-obamas-lies-and-frauds

 

The article adds maybe 5 more lies.

 

NY times said they weren't including repetitions for either person...so the "keep your doctor" repetitions weren't counted because that was their protocol. Trump repetitions weren't counted also.

 

So add the extra lies The Hill pointed out and make the comparison again...doesn't change much.