No innocent people in Gaza

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

I'd like someone other than the IDF....just like I'm sure you wouldn't want Hamas investigating the incident.

 

That seems to be the reasonable approach...instead of claiming one side is perfect and without flaws and can decide for themselves when they have killed too many civilians.

Hamas already had that with their mainstream media propaganda arm.  Regardless, no one really cares, the press has labeled Israel as the bully, tells us the Palestinians just want to live peacefully, they accept Israel's right to exist, etc. etc., etc.  No UN, or SA, or Egyptian investigation is going to change anyone's mind.

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When I was a teenager in the 1970s, I attended a "Bible church," a nondenominational congregation that prided itself on a singular devotion to scripture. We read the Bible all the time: in personal Bible study and evening Bible classes. We listened to hourlong Sunday morning sermons. For us, the Bible was not just a guide to piety. It also revealed God's plan for history. Through it, we learned how God had worked in the past and what God would do in the future.
Central to that plan was Jerusalem, the city of peace, and the dwelling place of God. It was special to the Jews because it was the home of Abraham and David. It was special to us because it was where Jesus had died and risen. We believed that ultimately, Christ would return to Jerusalem to rule as its king. We longed for this outcome -- and we prayed that human history would help bring about this biblical conclusion.
Jerusalem was our prophetic bellwether. God's plan hung on its fate. Whenever Israel gained more political territory, whenever Israel extended its boundaries, it was God's will, the end-times unfolding on the evening news. Jerusalem, as the spiritual heart of Israel, mattered. Jerusalem was God's holy city, of the ancient past, in its conflicted present, and for the biblical future.
For many conservative evangelicals, Jerusalem is not about politics. It is not about peace plans or Palestinians or two-state solutions. It is about prophecy. About the Bible. And, most certainly, it is about the end-times.
When I was young, our pastor insisted that Jerusalem had an important role to play in these end-times events. When the Jews rejected Jesus as the messiah, he explained, God chose the church to accomplish his mission. Soon this "church age" would end with the rapture of true believers.
But God still loved the Jews, he told us, and wanted to redeem them. Thus, absent the church, the Jews would experience a great religious rebirth and rebuild their temple in Jerusalem. This would spark a series of cataclysmic events that would culminate in the Battle of Armageddon, the last war of humanity. But it would also cause the Jews to finally accept Jesus as their savior. After all this occurred, Jesus would return in glory and God's kingdom -- a thousand-year reign of peace. And it would begin in Jerusalem.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is the entire reason for us involvement in all this. 

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/opinions/jerusalem-israel-evangelicals-end-times-butler-bass-opinion/index.html

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1 minute ago, Boiler said:

Well we burnt down the White House, so I would like to officially contest the presence of the US capital in DC.

Well the people who actually have a right to contest our capital are the Native Americans, though we beat them into submission to the point where they couldn't make any reasonable case.

 

Wonderful American history

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4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

that was your claim, not mine. it's a distraction from the reality that of israel's treatment of the palestinian people the ol standby 'hamas/evil' excuse for their horrific actions towards these people.

the more serious questions is, do i believe that israel is in the wrong in it's treatment of palestinian refugees. and my answer is a certain yes. 

So deflection, got it.  Btw, in Gaza Palestinian = Hamas, facts are facts.

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Just now, Bill & Katya said:

So deflection, got it.  Btw, in Gaza Palestinian = Hamas, facts are facts.

your deflection. my point of concern, as stated previously, is the needless loss of life. 

 

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Just now, smilesammich said:

your deflection. my point of concern, as stated previously, is the needless loss of life. 

 

Tell that to the Palestinian leaders, Hamas.

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8 minutes ago, bcking said:

Oh how many people were injured then? Sure at least one person must have stubbed their toe...Kill them all!

I've shown plenty of proof of the risk they're facing over the last few weeks, so sorry they're refusing to sacrifice themselves for global sympathy. Only those who refuse to acknowledge what's right in front of their face can't see the clear evidence but, again, doesn't matter, used to it, dogs will bark, caravan keeps moving.

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1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

Tell that to the Palestinian leaders, Hamas.

no, i'll tell that to the people who killed them. as you said, israel can wipe gaza and hamas off the map. 

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6 minutes ago, bcking said:

Well the people who actually have a right to contest our capital are the Native Americans, though we beat them into submission to the point where they couldn't make any reasonable case.

 

Wonderful American history

You deny my right to protest?

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1 minute ago, OriZ said:

I've shown plenty of proof of the risk they're facing over the last few weeks, so sorry they're refusing to sacrifice themselves for global sympathy. Only those who refuse to acknowledge what's right in front of their face can't see the clear evidence but, again, doesn't matter, used to it, dogs will bark, caravan keeps moving.

The leftwing media would never give them any sympathy.  That seems pretty clear.

 

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Just now, smilesammich said:

no, i'll tell that to the people who killed them. as you said, israel can wipe gaza and hamas off the map. 

And yet they don't.  Telling.  Defense against the Palestinian terrorists/guerillas can be bloody.  Still wondering if you recognize Israel?

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1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

The leftwing media would never give them any sympathy.  That seems pretty clear.

 

who needs sympathy when you get 3.8 billion dollars?

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3 minutes ago, Boiler said:

You deny my right to protest?

Just don't do it near Israel.

 

If you protest you might get shot.

Edited May 16, 2018 by bcking

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1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

And yet they don't.  Telling.  Defense against the Palestinian terrorists/guerillas can be bloody.  Still wondering if you recognize Israel?

Ah yes...because they can eliminate all life in Gaza they are wonderful for only taking 58...