Muslim women in Germany reduced to third-class citizens, stripped of legal protections

[Ban Hammer 13,678]

I hope you're wrong, as you're definitely in need of some hammering.

Are you advocating violence against me?

i don't think violence is what he's referencing

[chispas 0]

The judge's ruling may not have anything to with women's rights or multiculturalism. It might just be the old fashioned case of "You come to my country and expect the same rights as a German?" When I was in Germany, I heard many conversations by my German friends who were upset by "foreigners" who, they claimed, were flooding their social services system. This judge may have been caught, but I would guess there are many others behind her who feel the same way and act similarly, but have not been exposed yet.

[chispas 0]

Do you believe in the rights of women, or do you believe in multiculturalism? A series of verdicts in the German courts in the past month, have shown with hot, hard logic that you can't back both. You have to choose.

The crux case centres on a woman called Nishal, a 26-year-old Moroccan immigrant to Germany with two kids and a psychotic husband. Since their wedding night, this husband beat the hell out of her. She crawled to the police covered in wounds, and they ordered the husband to stay away from her. He refused. He terrorised her with death threats.

So Nishal went to the courts to request an early divorce, hoping that once they were no longer married he would leave her alone. A judge who believed in the rights of women would find it very easy to make a judgement: you're free from this man, case dismissed.

But Judge Christa Datz-Winter followed the logic of multiculturalism instead. She said she would not grant an early divorce because - despite the police documentation of extreme violence and continued threats - there was no "unreasonable hardship" here.

Why? Because the woman, as a Muslim, should have "expected" it, the judge explained. She read out passages from the Koran to show that Muslim husbands have the "right to use corporal punishment". Look at Sura 4, verse 34, she said to Nishal, where the Koran says he can hammer you. That's your culture. Goodbye, and enjoy your beatings.

This is not a freakish exception. Germany's only state-level Minister for Integration, Armin Laschet, says this is only "the last link, for the time being, in a chain of horrific rulings handed down by the German courts".

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In Germany today, Muslim women have been reduced to third-class citizens stripped of core legal protections - because of the doctrine of multiculturalism, which says a society should be divided into separate cultures with different norms according to ethnic origin.

http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnist...icle2496657.ece

This commentary is nonsense. Any person in Germany has the protection the Grundgesetz (Constitution) offers. There are no classes of citizens defined in that document that Germany takes pretty seriously. Yes, there were a number of odd verdicts lately. But the first one mentioned, for example, didn't stand. The judge actually apologized for this misguided decision. There are checks and balances in place in Germany that see to it that all citizens enjoy the same protection under the law. I have yet to see the high court upholding any of these misguided verdicts. When that happens, the commentator may have a point. Until then, it's a pretty ignorant rant.

The baby is too cute!!!! I don't know if you recall, but I was trying to make injera a few months ago to no avail. But!!! I finally did it with the recipe I got from a former misionary!

Ciao

[Anna C. 4]

As mentioned before, the judge was suspended. It's a symptom of people who have their odd dream of multicultural life meaning if in your culture it's fine to kill people it would be political incorrect to judge you for that. That's the whole freaking point: people get so blinded by their vision of not offending anyone that they sacrifice freedom and basic human rights for that.

@ Chispas: I do not know what kind of people you met in Germany. But let me explain to you one thing: Germany is a welfare state. It is well known, to Germans and immigrants. And people use that fact in some cases, no matter where they come from. E.g. a 16 year old who is too lazy to work can just say I don't want to and will be provided with an apartment, tv, fridge, food, clothes, health care etc... The German system doesn't distinguish between nationality, all legal residents of Germany are eligible to receive such benefits. This system triggers some people to be mad about it, because if you work you pay most likely around 50% of your salary to the government in taxes and social security. That is a lot, and hence if there are from now and then cases revealed in the newspapers of people using the system people get upset (and sometimes it happens that an immigrant uses the system).

I am personally not a friend of welfare systems and I also think those systems just trigger hate reactions. I rather prefer the US system.

Ok just my opinion.... I am also pretty sure that all European welfare countries (aka all) have those problems.... I recommend Ayan Hirsi Ali, she wrote several books/articles, but I am referring to her time as a social worker in the Netherlands. Horrible things happen to women even though they live in Europe, in the name of not offending another culture.