Two Killed as Van Rams Into Small Crowd in Münster, Germany

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BERLIN—At least two people were killed and six were seriously injured after a man drove a van into a group of people in the center of the western German city of Münster on Saturday, police said.

The suspected driver also shot himself dead after ramming the vehicle into a huddle of people sitting in front of the Grosser Kiepenkerl restaurant in the historic center of the city, a police spokesman said.

A mass police operation was under way as police and paramedics, including helicopter units, from elsewhere in the state of North-Rhine Westphalia were deployed to the scene.

Police ringfenced the old center of Münster and urged people to avoid the wider area as rescue operations proceeded. Police found an object inside the vehicle, which they are investigating to determine if it is an explosive device.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/german-police-say-people-killed-wounded-in-incident-in-central-munster-1523114122

[jg121783 3,921]

We need to ban assault vans.

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19 hours ago, jg121783 said:

We need to ban assault vans.

False equivalence

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[jg121783 3,921]

8 hours ago, bcking said:

False equivalence

How so? A psychopath uses an inanimate object to kill people. Neither the guns or a van can kill without human interaction.

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8 hours ago, bcking said:

False equivalence

Laugh.  You don’t realize it, but you stepped right in the middle of a big pool of ignorance.

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40 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

Laugh.  You don’t realize it, but you stepped right in the middle of a big pool of ignorance.

Sorry but I'm right. It's a false equivalence. It's ignorance to suggest otherwise.

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27 minutes ago, bcking said:

Sorry but I'm right. It's a false equivalence. It's ignorance to suggest otherwise.

No, it’s a simple failure to realize the root of the problem.  I’m surprised that you don’t get it, but not so surprised that others don’t. 

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1 hour ago, IDWAF said:

No, it’s a simple failure to realize the root of the problem.  I’m surprised that you don’t get it, but not so surprised that others don’t. 

No it's still a false equivalence. Sorry you don't get it but I don't have the energy right now to explain it. One similarity between two things doesn't mean another comparison is valid.

 

I'm not talking about the root of either problem. I'm just stating that saying because they both have been used to kill people therefore you can't compare how we regulate them is a logical fallacy. Those two comparisons aren't equivalent. If you can't grasp that I guess it's best we just move on.

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1 hour ago, bcking said:

No it's still a false equivalence. Sorry you don't get it but I don't have the energy right now to explain it. One similarity between two things doesn't mean another comparison is valid.

 

I'm not talking about the root of either problem. I'm just stating that saying because they both have been used to kill people therefore you can't compare how we regulate them is a logical fallacy. Those two comparisons aren't equivalent. If you can't grasp that I guess it's best we just move on.

Well, we agree that you cannot grasp the concept that a HUMAN with CRIMINAL INTENT is behind both inanimate objects that were used to harm others.  Guns don’t kill people, and neither do cars.  Unless someone directs them to.  

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I'm more appalled by the mispronunciation of Münster as "Munster," as in Herman, by so many in our exalted media.

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18 hours ago, bcking said:

False equivalence

You may want to discuss this with the London Mayor at least with respect to knife control in London (see separate thread).  I imagine vehicles will be next.

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6 hours ago, IDWAF said:

Well, we agree that you cannot grasp the concept that a HUMAN with CRIMINAL INTENT is behind both inanimate objects that were used to harm others.  Guns don’t kill people, and neither do cars.  Unless someone directs them to.  

So according to your logic we're going to ban anything that has ever killed anyone. Frying pans, pillows, pencils, bricks.... pretty much anything. I know you're scared of someone taking away guns but this is about a mentally ill man killing people in Germany, not what's going on in the US at the moment. 

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3 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

I'm more appalled by the mispronunciation of Münster as "Munster," as in Herman, by so many in our exalted media.

Yes! I cringed when I first heard it. But I am not surprised. The majority of Americans don't even know where Germany is. They don't even know Sweden and Switzerland are two different countries and they don't know the difference between them at all.  "Ah Sweden! I love your chocolate and watches!" Nope. 

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6 hours ago, IDWAF said:

Well, we agree that you cannot grasp the concept that a HUMAN with CRIMINAL INTENT is behind both inanimate objects that were used to harm others.  Guns don’t kill people, and neither do cars.  Unless someone directs them to.  

You really don't understand  what a false equivalence is...this is getting kind of funny at this point. Now I don't want to explain it because it's funny to watch.

 

45 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

You may want to discuss this with the London Mayor at least with respect to knife control in London (see separate thread).  I imagine vehicles will be next.

Well actually knives are a little bit less logically flawed to compare to guns.

 

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