Trump asked CIA official why drone strike didn’t also kill target’s family: report

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

So what?  The OP only said he asked the question.

Just asking, for a friend.

[jg121783 3,915]

2 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

What I said was "The President does not understand the concept of warcrimes" 

Let's not beat around the bush here. Do you believe Trump is a war criminal? If not do you believe he is considering taking actions as far as drone strikes go that would make him one? If you would answer yes to either one of those questions do you think Obama is a war criminal? If not please explain how Trump is either a war criminal or considering actions that would make him one and Obama is not.

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1 minute ago, jg121783 said:

Let's not beat around the bush here. Do you believe Trump is a war criminal? If not do you believe he is considering taking actions as far as drone strikes go that would make him one? If you would answer yes to either one of those questions do you think Obama is a war criminal? If not please explain how Trump is either a war criminal or considering actions that would make him one and Obama is not.

Not sure you are allowed to ask that sort of question, produces a lot of squirming, probably racist.

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Just now, Boiler said:

Not sure you are allowed to ask that sort of question, produces a lot of squirming, probably racist.

The liberal response to this type of question is "Cannot compute. Racist, homophobe, sexist!".

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Let's not beat around the bush here. Do you believe Trump is a war criminal? If not do you believe he is considering taking actions as far as drone strikes go that would make him one? If you would answer yes to either one of those questions do you think Obama is a war criminal? If not please explain how Trump is either a war criminal or considering actions that would make him one and Obama is not.

I posted a story that attributes the President with saying he doesn't understand why the entire family was not targeted and instructs adjustments to be made. Targeting civilians intentionally is a potential war crime. Candidate Trump was deeply critical of President Obama for having policies that minimized collateral damage from drones.

 

This is not about my opinion.

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2 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

I posted a story that attributes the President with saying he doesn't understand why the entire family was not targeted and instructs adjustments to be made. Targeting civilians intentionally is a potential war crime. Candidate Trump was deeply critical of President Obama for having policies that minimized collateral damage from drones.

 

This is not about my opinion.

Okay if you want to sidestep the question allow me to answer. Feel free to give your input on this. If what Trump has done or would like to do with drones as the article in this post alleges is in fact considered war crimes then by that same standard Obama is also a war criminal many times over. Do you agree or disagree and why? Whether you choose to answer or not it is pretty clear what your answer is. How you can justify that answer is not so clear.

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11 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Can you point out anyone on the left who objected to Obama's drone strikes? I can't.

I certainly didn't approve. I would like to know why America is in Syria? Hasn't the United States "helped" Syria enough already? Or is the US looking to collect up all the guns and ammo the CIA funneled in there? 

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1 hour ago, Póg mo said:

I certainly didn't approve. I would like to know why America is in Syria? Hasn't the United States "helped" Syria enough already? Or is the US looking to collect up all the guns and ammo the CIA funneled in there? 

I agree with you 100% (I think that's a first). There is no reason for us to be in Syria and there never was a good reason.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

5 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Okay if you want to sidestep the question allow me to answer. Feel free to give your input on this. If what Trump has done or would like to do with drones as the article in this post alleges is in fact considered war crimes then by that same standard Obama is also a war criminal many times over. Do you agree or disagree and why? Whether you choose to answer or not it is pretty clear what your answer is. How you can justify that answer is not so clear.

Funny, someone accused me of dodging and sidestepping a discussion that they want to have that I didn't ask for.  They attempt to make a strawman argument on my behalf, attempt to put words in the original author that does not exist, then make the rebbuttal to the strawman argument. Then they ask me if a disagree or agree with your rebbuttal and ask me to provide proof. Then they attempt to pre-impeach my allegged response and allegged non response at the same time(Damned if I do or don't). 

 

 

 

To restate:

My "accusation" or opinion if you will is that Trump does not understand international law and the rules of engagement. It is his limited understanding that puts lives and US interests at risk.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Funny, someone accused me of dodging and sidestepping a discussion that they want to have that I didn't ask for.

 

15 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

I do remember some debate in several circles. I don't remember hearing anyone state that collateral damage of the family was desirable. The President does not understand the concept of warcrimes.

Your the one who brought up war crimes. I was simply asking if you thought Trump committed or was considering committing war crimes based on what the article alleges. Also considering the fact that Obama had many innocent people killed with drones I was wondering if you also considered Obama's actions to be war crimes.

 

1 hour ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

They attempt to make a strawman argument on my behalf,

 

Given your political leanings I came to the conclusion (admittedly an educated guess) that you don't view Obama as a war criminal. If I am wrong by all means correct me. If I am correct that leaves only two possibilities. Either you think Trump is a war criminal in which case to be blunt that is a hypocritical view or you think he isn't which makes me wonder why you brought up war crimes in the first place. 

 

 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

53 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

 

Your the one who brought up war crimes. I was simply asking if you thought Trump committed or was considering committing war crimes based on what the article alleges. Also considering the fact that Obama had many innocent people killed with drones I was wondering if you also considered Obama's actions to be war crimes.

 

 

Given your political leanings I came to the conclusion (admittedly an educated guess) that you don't view Obama as a war criminal. If I am wrong by all means correct me. If I am correct that leaves only two possibilities. Either you think Trump is a war criminal in which case to be blunt that is a hypocritical view or you think he isn't which makes me wonder why you brought up war crimes in the first place. 

 

 

Feel free to quote me in it's entirety or not at all.  Here is my statement

 

Trump does not understand international law and the rules of engagement. It is his limited understanding that puts lives and US interests at risk.

 

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, Póg mo said:

I certainly didn't approve. I would like to know why America is in Syria? Hasn't the United States "helped" Syria enough already? 

I have the same exact question.

 

We should only be supplying aid for the people caught in the crossfire. 

Edited April 8, 2018 by Keith & Arileidi

[jg121783 3,915]

On 4/7/2018 at 6:23 AM, Il Mango Dulce said:

I do remember some debate in several circles. I don't remember hearing anyone state that collateral damage of the family was desirable. The President does not understand the concept of warcrimes.

That is what I quoted. How is that not the entire quote? Which part did I remove or alter. You started the conversation on war crimes then when you get called out on it you blame the person calling you out for changing the topic. I get it. It's a tough question you don't have a good answer for. So I'm done asking and we'll just leave it at that.

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9 hours ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Trump does not understand international law and the rules of engagement. It is his limited understanding that puts lives and US interests at risk.

Let's just pretent you didn't say anything about war crimes and this is now the topic of discussion. Couldn't the same statement be made about Obama using the same standards regarding drone strikes? Or did I alter the above quote to change the topic again?