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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Egypt
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My husband had a biometrics appointment scheduled for tomorrow for his naturalization.  He did have some questions regarding the ROC that is still pending and tried to schedule and INFOpass on the same day as his biometrics.  Since that didn't work out, he did his INFOpass today.

 

When I asked him how it went, he told me they cut up his green card.  He said the officer told him it was expired and he no longer needed it.  Additionally, because it has an expired date, it could casue others additional confusion.  Instead, they put a stamp in his passport and explained this will serve as his one year green card.  He wouldn't need anything else.  I was a bit concerned because we've also filed for the n400, and if they do his ROC at the same time as his naturalization interview (saw that has happened for some and they never received their 10 year card), that he would no longer have a green cart to surrender.  I asked if the officer made a note that he took the card.  My husband wasn't sure, but he didn't feel worried.  Have others had their green card cut up after getting the 551 stamp?

 

The officer was very nice and allowed my husband to ask many questions...  

 

My husband had mentioned that we had the CRI number and the i-751 number.  One number had said his case had been transferred to the field office and the other didn't say anything.  We had looked up the processing time online (it said field offices can take up to 46 months and the California Service Center said it would take up to 19 months...), but the officer thought that was backwards.  He explained that when CSC is overloaded they send cases to different field offices...meaning ours could go to any field office whose load is lighter NOT our specific field office.  The officer said that usually speeds up the process.  He also said the CRI 89 number is a back office number they use, and we should be using the I 751 number to look up information about our case.

 

He told my husband that it would have been better for us to have waited for naturalization.  According to the officer, the applications go in two different ways.  Rather than trigger the I-751 to get moving, the naturalization application will just be put aside until a decision can be made on the I-751.  There isn't a notification that is sent to say they can pick up and work on the naturalization once the I-751 is adjucated, so there's a chance it will just sit there unless we make another INFOpass to get it moving again.  I thought that information was a bit odd as I've heard of several people who have had both applications/interviews on the same day.  I think that's what is the most frustrating thing about the process.  There is often a different answer :).  I guess we will see how it all plays out for us.

 

And, after all the questions, they did send my husband to get his biometrics done.  So now he won't have to return tomorrow.  That was nice.

ROC

3.6.2017     Mailed I-751

3.7.2017     NOA sent

3.23.2017   Biometrics Appointment

2.26.2018   I-751 Transferred to Local Office

3.5.2018     I-751 Received in Local Office

5.1.2018     Case Transferred; Preliminary Review Done; transferred to NBC in Lee's Summit, MO

5.3.2018     Case Transferred

7.24.2018   Joint interview approved

7.30.2018   Green Card received

Naturalization

3.15.2018   Filed N 400 Online

3.15.2018   USCIS sent the receipt

3.16.2018   USCIS sent biometrics letter

6.14.2018   Interview Notice sent

7.24.2018   Naturalization Interview; approved

9.26.2018   Oath Ceremony Scheduled

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Yes.

Not all officers/officers do it, but most do.

The stamp is legal proof of status for document and travel purposes so don’t worry about it.

 

CR1 / DCF (London): 2012 / 2013 (4 months from I-130 petition to visa in hand)

I-751 #1- April 2015 [Denied]

 

April 2015 : I-751 Joint filing package sent fedex next day 09:00am from UK ($lots - thanks). 
Jan 2017: Notification that an interview has been scheduled at a local office. Bizarrely still no RFE... 
Jan 2017: 2hr wait, then interview terminated before it began, due to moving my ID to another state 2 wks prior. New interview 'in a few months...maybe.'   Informed them that divorce proceedings are underway, but not finalised at this time. 
March 2017: An Interview was scheduled - marked as no-show as they didn't actually send out a notification of interview. FML 
April  2017: Filed an official complaint with the ombudsman, and have requested Senator & Congressman assistance
August 2017: Interview - switched to a (finalised) divorce waiver. Told that decision will be made that afternoon, but no problems foreseen with my case. 
October 2017: Letter of Denial received - reason given as 'I-751 petition was not properly filed'. Discovered ex-spouse made false allegations to USCIS in 2015. No opportunity given to review & refute allegations  - contrary to USCIS policy.

I-751 #2 - Oct 2017 - Mar 2021[Denied] 

 

October 2017: Within 72hrs of receiving denial notice, a new waiver I-751, divorce decree & $680 cheque, sent to Vermont via FedEx overnight 9am priority.  
Dec 2019: Filed FOIA request for full A# file
Feb 2020: FOIA request completed - entire A# file received as a .PDF; 197 pages fully redacted, and 80 partially redacted. Don't waste your time!
March 2021: I-751 #2 denied for lack of evidence. No RFE, no interview, and evidence in previous I-751 not reviewed - contrary to policy. Huge errors in adjudication.

N-400 - Feb 2018 - Apr 2021 [Denied]

 

February 2018: N-400 filed online.  $725 paid to the USCIS paperwork wastage fund

February  2019: Interview - cancelled after a four hour wait due to 'missing paperwork' on their end. Promised Expedited reschedule.

March 2021: Interview letter received, strangely dated after I-751 denial. No I-751 interview conducted. N-400 interview and test passed, given 'cannot make a decision at this time' paper due to the ongoing I-751 nightmare...

April 2021: N-400 denial received citing recent I-751 denial as basis for ineligibility, even though it should have been a combo interview 🤯

I AM JACK'S COMPLETE LACK OF SURPRISE

Service Motion - March 2021 [Sent via FedEx & COMPLETELY IGNORED by USCIS]

 

March 2021: Service Motion request sent overnight addressed direectly to field office director, requesting urgent review and re-opening, based on errors in adjudication - citing USCIS policy, AFM and memorandums as basis for errors. This was completely ignored by USCIS.

 I-751 #3 - June 2021 - Jan 2024 [Denied]

 

IT'S GROUNDHOG DAY

June 2021: I-751 #3 (30+lbs/5000 pages of paperwork) & another $680 sent to USCIS via FedEx ($300+..thanks) .... 

June 2021: Receipt issued, card charged, biometrics waived, infopass scheduled for I-551 stamp number ten.....

Feb 2022: RFIE (no, not an RFE, a Request For Initial Evidence) received, for copies of the divorce paperwork that they already have 😑

July 2022: Infopass for I-551 stamp number eleven.....

August 2023: Infopass for I-551 stamp number twelve....

January 2024: Denial received, ignoring the overwhelming majority of the filing, abundance of evidence, and refutation of a provably false allegation. The denial also contradicts itself in multiple places, as if it was written by someone with an IQ <50.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

 

2024: FML. Seriously. I'm done. 

 

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Different USCIS officers have different ways of dealing with the physical green card once they dole out the i551 stamp. 

Some keep the gc and destroy it, while some give it back as is, still others cut it up like this thread illustrates. 

I-751 journey

 

10/16/2017.......... ROC package mailed

10/18/2017.......... I-751 package received VSC

10/19/2017.......... I-797 NOA date

10/30/2017.......... Notice received in mail

10/30/2017.......... Check cashed

11/02/2017.......... Conditional GC expired

11/22/2017.......... Biometrics completed

  xx/xx/xxxx.......... waiting waiting waiting

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