April 2018 NOA2 ----> NVC

[K1visaHopeful 2,870]

1 minute ago, A_R said:

By proof I meant of an Indian/Hindu religious ceremony (photos) since it would be before I entered US.

 

Regarding the fraud part - I understand what you are saying but my question is does a religious ceremony count as marriage in the eyes of US law?  No legal formality would be done in India as a part of the religious ceremony.

Oh okay I understand what you meant. 

 

I really don't think it matters if it counts in the eyes of US Law. If you entered the US as a married person after you declared you were already single and free to marry in your K1, USCIS may find you to have entered illegally.

[Naes 12,205]

7 minutes ago, A_R said:

By proof I meant of an Indian/Hindu religious ceremony (photos) since it would be before I entered US.

 

Regarding the fraud part - I understand what you are saying but my question is does a religious ceremony count as marriage in the eyes of US law?  No legal formality would be done in India as a part of the religious ceremony.

 

2 minutes ago, K1visaHopeful said:

Oh okay I understand what you meant. 

 

I really don't think it matters if it counts in the eyes of US Law. If you entered the US as a married person after you declared you were already single and free to marry in your K1, USCIS may find you to have entered illegally.

Guys before all this the problem starts with the officer at the consulate denying the visa..

 

I didn't check if all the cases are exactly what you are asking for but this is what came up with the google search I just did. I think first one is from India.

 

 

 

[K1visaHopeful 2,870]

2 minutes ago, Naes said:

 

Guys before all this the problem starts with the officer at the consulate denying the visa..

 

I didn't check if all the cases are exactly what you are asking for but this is what came up with the google search I just did. I think first one is from India.

 

 

 

I think @A_R's argument is that the religious ceremony would take place in the small window of time AFTER the visa was approved but BEFORE POE (not yelling, lol). Therefore technically she (?) feels it's okay because she's already been approved. 

My stance is she'd be invalidating her K1 visa if she were to marry in any way before POE and not on US soil which is the restrictions of the K1 Visa.

Good links though, @Naes! I remember reading a lot of these when we were considering doing a commitment ceremony before we applied for our K1 too. 

[Naes 12,205]

13 minutes ago, K1visaHopeful said:

I think @A_R's argument is that the religious ceremony would take place in the small window of time AFTER the visa was approved but BEFORE POE (not yelling, lol). Therefore technically she (?) feels it's okay because she's already been approved. 

My stance is she'd be invalidating her K1 visa if she were to marry in any way before POE and not on US soil which is the restrictions of the K1 Visa.

Good links though, @Naes! I remember reading a lot of these when we were considering doing a commitment ceremony before we applied for our K1 too. 

Well the thing is cbp has the right to deny entry’s and right now they also have the right to ask to see your phone...

 

sooo I wouldn’t risk.

 

By the way I just wanted to add, this is just what I think because I actually showed my phone once (It wasn't asked but one thing led to another.. )

So I personally wouldn't risk anything.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Naes

[K1visaHopeful 2,870]

1 minute ago, Naes said:

Well the thing is cbp has the right to deny entry’s and right now they also have the right to ask to see your phone...

 

sooo I wouldn’t risk.

Me neither it's too risky. 

I'm reading your links you shared and you have me nervous as we sent engagement pictures in with our K1. 

They were snapshots taken from when he popped the question when we met up with my "family" for my bday and my bestfriend videotaped it. (Yes they both actually surprised me in their plan). It's obvious on video that it was just him proposing but you never know what could be read into the photos. 

Meh, I'm not gonna stress. We were wearing fluorescent yellow raincoats in the middle of a hurricane. I hope that's enough, lol.

[Naes 12,205]

13 minutes ago, K1visaHopeful said:

Me neither it's too risky. 

I'm reading your links you shared and you have me nervous as we sent engagement pictures in with our K1. 

They were snapshots taken from when he popped the question when we met up with my "family" for my bday and my bestfriend videotaped it. (Yes they both actually surprised me in their plan). It's obvious on video that it was just him proposing but you never know what could be read into the photos. 

Meh, I'm not gonna stress. We were wearing fluorescent yellow raincoats in the middle of a hurricane. I hope that's enough, lol.

No need to stress. It is mostly cultural as some cultures have big engagement parties (we have it too ) and some embassies may make a big deal out of it (such as Ghana cause their engagement is ceremonial and can easily be considered as marriage traditionally)

 

no need to worry about proposal pictures. Or maybe even about these! But I’m just a worrier so I don’t touch anything  

[K1visaHopeful 2,870]

Just now, Naes said:

No need to stress. It is mostly cultural as some cultures have big engagement parties (we have it too ) and some embassies may make a big deal out of it (such as Ghana cause their engagement is ceremonial and can easily be considered as marriage traditionally)

 

no need to worry about proposal pictures. Or maybe even about these! But I’m just a worrier so I don’t touch anything  

Hahaha! What month are you born/what's your sign?

[Naes 12,205]

2 minutes ago, K1visaHopeful said:

Hahaha! What month are you born/what's your sign?

Cancer  I don't know if we are considered worriers... I am sure we are considered coucou tho.

[K1visaHopeful 2,870]

1 minute ago, Naes said:

Cancer  I don't know if we are considered worriers... I am sure we are considered coucou tho.

Lol, no you shouldnt be a worrier. Loud, bossy and in control of everything you deem necessary for sure, but not a worrier🤣

My bestie (who took the engagement vid) is a Cancer. She tires me out!

And I was born on the day you sent your application in...minus 40 years, lol. So I'm the perfectionist, ####### retentive, nit picking, natural born worrier Virgo

[Naes 12,205]

Just now, K1visaHopeful said:

Lol, no you shouldnt be a worrier. Loud, bossy and in control of everything you deem necessary for sure, but not a worrier🤣

My bestie (who took the engagement vid) is a Cancer. She tires me out!

And I was born on the day you sent your application in...minus 40 years, lol. So I'm the perfectionist, ####### retentive, nit picking, natural born worrier Virgo

See that’s my bestie (literally) born on the day I sent my petition (minus 30 years) and I believe her and I had a personality switch... actually not sure cause I think I kept that upper part about cancer and created a worrier perfectionist control freak and bossy... (I don’t know why my fiancé is marrying me...also another Virgo)

[K1visaHopeful 2,870]

13 minutes ago, Naes said:

See that’s my bestie (literally) born on the day I sent my petition (minus 30 years) and I believe her and I had a personality switch... actually not sure cause I think I kept that upper part about cancer and created a worrier perfectionist control freak and bossy... (I don’t know why my fiancé is marrying me...also another Virgo)

Haha weird in more than one way. 

We say the same thing too (that we've be friends so long we've swapped our bad character traits, lol).

You'll do great with your matchup with your soon to be. There is no doubt in that whether you are a true Cancer or a Cancer with Virgo traits. Virgo men are compatible with both 😉

 

But it's 2:30am and Timbucktow is closing. 

Nite nite.

 

PS I hope somebody who finally signed up for notifications is wide awake listening to their phone ding as we chatter incessantly. 

Edited May 1, 2018 by K1visaHopeful
Cuz I'm funny

[A_R 191]

1 hour ago, Naes said:

Religious ceremonies, unofficial ceremonies, even engagement parties may cause denial at the interview because the CO may decide you are too married for K1.

So I am not sure if there is anything religion specific in this situation (although country may affect..) but having religious ceremonies or unofficial weddings are not advisable. 

 

I did have a list of cases posted here with denials and problems, but I couldn't find my list... however I created a list (So I wanted to tell you it is a common problem that I had to create a list for..)

 

1 hour ago, K1visaHopeful said:

Oh okay I understand what you meant. 

 

I really don't think it matters if it counts in the eyes of US Law. If you entered the US as a married person after you declared you were already single and free to marry in your K1, USCIS may find you to have entered illegally.

@Naes  @K1visaHopeful I totally agree with  both of you. It's not at all worth taking the risk and I wouldn't take the risk too.

@Naes  Regarding what you said for engagement too - but my fiance proposed to me and we had a engagement party. It was like any normal evening party with friends and family. Would that create a problem as technically how do you become a fiancee if you don't have any engagement ??

[Naes 12,205]

10 minutes ago, A_R said:

 

@Naes  @K1visaHopeful I totally agree with  both of you. It's not at all worth taking the risk and I wouldn't take the risk too.

@Naes  Regarding what you said for engagement too - but my fiance proposed to me and we had a engagement party. It was like any normal evening party with friends and family. Would that create a problem as technically how do you become a fiancee if you don't have any engagement ??

That's why I wrote the country specific part

In some cultures it is a whole different ceremony that can be considered a marriage. In your case it was a normal evening party, if you read some other countries' situations it is a whole different scene. so it is country a specific situation. 

 

Apart from this, You become a fiance when you two decide to marry. it does not necessarily mean an engagement party, or rings or anything. (although I do understand what you mean)

[Little_Vixen 1,869]

 

@Naes Virgo's are very good at communication and rationalising things. So when you go cancer coucou your fiance and bestie will straighten you out love.

Cancer does explain your tenaciousess (and your darker moods... *ducks*)

I'd be interested to see your complete starchart as you have a lot of other qualities that are not necessarily Cancer. Like your affinity with numbers and your almost obsessive attention to detail.

 

I love starsigns  Being a Pisces makes this whole process a bit more bearable I think. I just go with the flow.

My fiance is a Capricorn.  He Needs to be in control. And yes thats a Needs with a capital N. This whole process is driving him crazy. I'm so glad he is also very patient and calm by nature.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Little_Vixen

[A_R 191]

7 minutes ago, Naes said:

That's why I wrote the country specific part

In some cultures it is a whole different ceremony that can be considered a marriage. In your case it was a normal evening party, if you read some other countries' situations it is a whole different scene. so it is country a specific situation. 

 

Apart from this, You become a fiance when you two decide to marry. it does not necessarily mean an engagement party, or rings or anything. (although I do understand what you mean)

Yup the links you sent I read those - one of them was of India and although the ceremony was different but sill I think it would apply. They wee very helpful, thanks

 

In K1 you can't even go to he US get married and come back - right ?