Cenomar

[nelmagriffin 145]

Hi Again,

I know that you mentioned to the Consul at your daughters' interview that you are still married to his dad and you also have a divorce decree. I guess that might trigger the consul to even dig more causing them to ask a copy of your CENOMAR,  They wanted to check if your CENOMAR is clear and that you are single, if so then they might question of how did you get it when you are still married? And if it has an annotation even with your Marriage Certificate, then they will even question more because you have not filed an annulment.

[Hank_ 9,174]

1 hour ago, nelmagriffin said:

@Krestelso:

 

I forgot that the reason of why I asked about your situation is because you enter in the USA on a tourist visa as you mentioned and when marrying in the USA they will always ask for a Marriage License, and in this process, they ask for your CENOMAR proving that you are single as a requirement.  NO ONE IN THE USA ASKS FOR A CENOMAR, JUST THE SAME SHE DID COMPLETE A DIVORCE WHICH MAY NOT BE ACCEPTED IN THE PHILIPPINES .. BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES RECOGNIZE IT.   Just like if a US Citizen goes to our country and marries they will be asked to go to the US Consulate or Embassy and produce a legal capacity to marry adding to have a divorce decree papers ready  SOME CITIES (QUEZON JUMPS TO MIND) WILL NOT ACCEPT THE AFFIDAVIT FROM THE EMBASSY, THEY REQUIRE A CENOMAR FROM THE USC AS WELL . This is the only one that confuses me the most. I feel that there is something more in this situation because if I am the Consul I would be confused too (NO CONFUSION, EMBASSY RECOGNIZES DIVORCE), especially that you even mentioned that you are still married to the father of your kid. <ONLY IN THE PHILIPPINES.  The first thing that will come to the consul's mind is that How did she remarry without filing an annulment?  USA ACCEPTS DIVORCE, NO CONFUSION IN THE CO'S MIND either.  Again, how did you produce a CENOMAR? SHE WOULD BE ISSUED A CEMAR (ADVISORY OF MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE) BUT SHE HAS HER DIVORCE DECREE SO NO ISSUE THERE.  knowing that you are married? or even a marriage certificate with annotation? Because we all know that marriage in the Philippine is recognize in the USA?  MORE IMPORTANTLY DIVORCE IS RECOGNIZED IN THE USA.

 

The Philippines' archaic laws that deny divorce are the source of countless issues.   One day, maybe, there will be divorce in the Philippines.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

4 minutes ago, Hank_ said:

 

The Philippines' archaic laws that deny divorce are the source of countless issues.   One day, maybe, there will be divorce in the Philippines.

I think they will have divorce there about the same time as they fix the credit card processing on ecensus.

Edited April 6, 2018 by cyberfx1024

[Hank_ 9,174]

6 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I think they will have divorce there about the same time as they fix the credit card processing on ecensus.

e-census will be fixed long before that.

 

Wasn't that email a joke .. "we are working on a solution"     Well it is sort of true, a new system will be online the 1st of June.     .. but divorce will still be laying in a political trash bin.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

13 minutes ago, Hank_ said:

e-census will be fixed long before that.

 

Wasn't that email a joke .. "we are working on a solution"     Well it is sort of true, a new system will be online the 1st of June.     .. but divorce will still be laying in a political trash bin.

That is IF it even works right which I doubt. Do you want to take bets on it?

[Krystelso 0]

2 hours ago, nelmagriffin said:

Hi Again,

I know that you mentioned to the Consul at your daughters' interview that you are still married to his dad and you also have a divorce decree. I guess that might trigger the consul to even dig more causing them to ask a copy of your CENOMAR,  They wanted to check if your CENOMAR is clear and that you are single, if so then they might question of how did you get it when you are still married? And if it has an annotation even with your Marriage Certificate, then they will even question more because you have not filed an annulment.

I told them im married here when he asked for a copy of cenomar bec theres no way ill be able to get it since i was married before... i was able to get a copy (attached file) and i sent it to the embassy.. ill just wait for their response.

[Hank_ 9,174]

21 minutes ago, Krystelso said:

I told them im married here when he asked for a copy of cenomar bec theres no way ill be able to get it since i was married before... i was able to get a copy (attached file) and i sent it to the embassy.. ill just wait for their response.

You are always required to request a CENOMAR at PSA, if married they issue the CEMAR  .. just the way it works.  So when the embassy requests a CENOMAR they don't necessarily expect to see a CENOMAR, as in your case they expect to see a CEMAR (Advisory of Marriage)

[Krystelso 0]

7 minutes ago, Hank_ said:

You are always required to request a CENOMAR at PSA, if married they issue the CEMAR  .. just the way it works.  So when the embassy requests a CENOMAR they don't necessarily expect to see a CENOMAR, as in your case they expect to see a CEMAR (Advisory of Marriage)

Thats what it makes me worried. Im thinking if it will affect my daughters petition and worse they will get my gc bec of that... 

[Hank_ 9,174]

15 minutes ago, Krystelso said:

Thats what it makes me worried. Im thinking if it will affect my daughters petition and worse they will get my gc bec of that... 

No worries.  You have your divorce decree .. like said earlier, the embassy may ask for a copy of that .. so be prepared.   I keep copies of special documents online at a variety of places.. just in case.

[nelmagriffin 145]

Hello:

I guess I am confused because if one wants to marry here in the USA they needed to be both eligible to marry, right? and as a foreigner/visitor prior to getting a marriage license they are required  to produce as quoted

"You must show proof of divorce, death or annulment. You need to bring a copy of your final divorce decree if you have divorced within the 90 days through past year (varies by county). And if you are a Filipino wanting to get married to a US Citizen you are required to have a Certificate of Legal Capacity to Contract Marriage through the Philippine Embassy or Consulate here in the USA. The requirement is lengthy. Here is the link/reference: http://abudhabipe.dfa.gov.ph/images/Consular/Finalized_RevProcedure_LCCM.pdf

 

I understand that Hank pointed that you have a divorce decree and have nothing to worry, that is true, but the question here,  Is how did you get married for the second time in the USA and was not questioned about the result of your Marriage Advisory/ CENOMAR that clearly shows that you are still married and as a requirement prior to even issued a license to marry in the USA. Otherwise, all others will simply bypass the long and expensive ridiculous annulment process and do the same. I guess I a more surprised to know that even if you showed to them that you are married in the Philippines they allowed you to get married in the USA? that is the thing that does not make any sense to me. This is not an attack or anything like that it just me wanting to be educated and if I see confusion i seek to investigate more.

 

Edited April 9, 2018 by Ryan H
Reason for edit: to remove large blank area in post.

[geowrian 22,337]

2 minutes ago, nelmagriffin said:

I understand that Hank pointed that you have a divorce decree and have nothing to worry, that is true, but the question here,  Is how did you get married for the second time in the USA and was not questioned about the result of your Marriage Advisory/ CENOMAR that clearly shows that you are still married and as a requirement prior to even issued a license to marry in the USA. Otherwise, all others will simply bypass the long and expensive ridiculous annulment process and do the same. I guess I a more surprised to know that even if you showed to them that you are married in the Philippines they allowed you to get married in the USA? that is the thing that does not make any sense to me. This is not an attack or anything like that it just me wanting to be educated and if I see confusion i seek to investigate more.

Unless I missed something obvious here....why wouldn't she have shown the US divorce decree when she applied for the US marriage license to the second individual?

[Hank_ 9,174]

"Hello:

I guess I am confused because if one wants to marry here in the USA they needed to be both eligible to marry, right? and as a foreigner/visitor prior to getting a marriage license they are required  to produce as quoted

"You must show proof of divorce, death or annulment. You need to bring a copy of your final divorce decree if you have divorced within the 90 days through past year (varies by county). And if you are a Filipino wanting to get married to a US Citizen you are required to have a Certificate of Legal Capacity to Contract Marriage through the Philippine Embassy or Consulate here in the USA. The requirement is lengthy. Here is the link/reference: http://abudhabipe.dfa.gov.ph/images/Consular/Finalized_RevProcedure_LCCM.pdf

 

I understand that Hank pointed that you have a divorce decree and have nothing to worry, that is true, but the question here,  Is how did you get married for the second time in the USA and was not questioned about the result of your Marriage Advisory/ CENOMAR that clearly shows that you are still married and as a requirement prior to even issued a license to marry in the USA. Otherwise, all others will simply bypass the long and expensive ridiculous annulment process and do the same. I guess I a more surprised to know that even if you showed to them that you are married in the Philippines they allowed you to get married in the USA? that is the thing that does not make any sense to me. This is not an attack or anything like that it just me wanting to be educated and if I see confusion i seek to investigate more."

 

____________

 

1st:   You are referencing a document from DFA of the Philippines in regards to Abu Dhabi  which has absolutely nothing to do with the USofA or the process as dictated by each of the states.   None of which you referenced above is asked for during the completion of the application for a marriage license.   

 

2nd:  As already stated NO ONE in the USA asks to see a CENOMAR let alone an Advisory of Marriage Certificate.. these are Philippine documents.. no one, again I will repeat -  no one in the USA wants to see either of them.    And once again I will remind you she is divorced.

 

 

SHE HAS A DIVORCE DECREE, which is valid for all the world except the Philippines. ~   nothing more to understand.

Edited April 6, 2018 by Hank_

[nelmagriffin 145]

2 minutes ago, geowrian said:

Unless I missed something obvious here....why wouldn't she have shown the US divorce decree when she applied for the US marriage license to the second individual?

1. The OP posted two times more or less on the same topic.  If you have read at the very beginning of this post you will be able to catch up. The OP stated that she was married in the Philippines and have a daughter, got separated, used her multiple visa that is valid for 10 years and visited the USA, She then found a new love while in the US who is US Citizen (formerly a Filipino) who petitioned her and was able to adjust her status and currently holding a conditional green card. She mentioned that her new husband also petitioned her daughter and was interviewed, She accompanied her daughter during the interview and was asked to produce a CENOMAR for both her and her second husband.
2.  She was asking why they ask her CENOMAR for both of them? She was told because they are both born in the Philippines, referring to her and her second husband. As I mentioned before, a Divorce decree is only granted to a former Filipino now a US Citizen per Article 26. As stated " Article 26 is clear that only the former Filipino (or the foreigner spouse) may seek a divorce abroad. In other words, even if a spouse is no longer a Filipino, the other spouse who is still a Filipino can’t validly seek a divorce. So how did she manage to do this I do not know, If so would it still be valid considering that the applicant is not even a Us Citizen? Anyways, this is getting further and further, that is why I have asked as none of us are expert and the situation is unique. Back to the main topic, She is worried as she mentioned, that her green card might b revoked? why? Is it because she admitted that she was still married to the father of her daughter and that it triggers the Consul of why was able to even get married for the second time without filing an annulment in first? IS this why Consul ask for CENOMAR/ advisory on Marriage? 

[Hank_ 9,174]

  

[nelmagriffin 145]

48 minutes ago, Hank_ said:

1st:   You are referencing a document from DFA of the Philippines in regards to Abu Dhabi  which has absolutely nothing to do with the USofA or the process as dictated by each of the states.   None of which you referenced above is asked for during the completion of the application for a marriage license

It is the same everywhere: Here is a link in Los Angeles Philippine Consulate, when a Filipino who wanted to marry Abroad. I guess some are not familiar because the majority had K1 visa.

Hank: http://www.philippineconsulatela.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/APPLICATION-FOR-MARRIAGE-LICENSE.pdf

Also, http://www.philippineconsulatela.org/consular-services-2/civil-registry-2/report-of-marriage-of-a-filipino-abroad