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Wonder how many of these vegans are fine with killing babies?

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1 hour ago, IDWAF said:

They are not babies. They are fetuses.  It's ok.

pretty sure a person gets a murder charge for killing babies. you guys have a real hard time with science/reality.

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34 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

pretty sure a person gets a murder charge for killing babies. you guys have a real hard time with science/reality.

Not really sure the science is settled.  Regardless, it is the law.

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Just now, smilesammich said:

the science is settled. a woman does not conceive a 'baby'

Right, it takes eggs and sperm.

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3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

yes, and the combo doesn't poof a baby. 

What does it poof, a calf?

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1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

What does it poof, a calf?

depends upon what stage of development you're referring to. do you realize that 31% of conceptions end up in miscarriage, that would be a mighty sad figure if we were talking 31% of babies dying. 

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26 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

depends upon what stage of development you're referring to. do you realize that 31% of conceptions end up in miscarriage, that would be a mighty sad figure if we were talking 31% of babies dying. 

I wonder what the couples and women that suffer a miscarriage think?

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3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I wonder what the couples and women that suffer a miscarriage think?

an emotional attachment to a pregnancy has nothing to do with scientific terms referencing stage of development. anyway do you think women that are prochoice just brush off a miscarriage like, 'nothing but a clump of cells anyway, what's for dinner?!'

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1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

an emotional attachment to a pregnancy has nothing to do with scientific terms referencing stage of development. anyway do you think women that are prochoice just brush off a miscarriage like, 'nothing but a clump of cells anyway, what's for dinner?!'

Didn’t say that, was just asking the question.  As to the settled science, if a featus is not killing a life in terms of abortion, why does a criminal that murders a pregnant woman and the featus get charged for two murders in most states?

 

https://www.salon.com/2013/05/17/is_killing_a_fetus_murder/

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3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Didn’t say that, was just asking the question.  As to the settled science, if a featus is not killing a life in terms of abortion, why does a criminal that murders a pregnant woman and the featus get charged for two murders in most states?

 

https://www.salon.com/2013/05/17/is_killing_a_fetus_murder/

i think the author of this piece sums it up pretty well:

 

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I believe that human life begins at conception. I believe that if you force a woman, either by violence or deception, to lose a fetus, you have taken a life. But I also shudder at the prospect of the anti-choice lobby exploiting revolting crimes to prevent women from access to their constitutional right to abortion. We have spent the last several years watching it happen, as abortion opponents have tried to leverage fetal-protection laws to chip away at choice. That's why we need to continue to be vigilant in articulating the difference between a choice a woman makes and an act of violence against her body and her fetus, an act that robs her of that very freedom she is entitled to. We must be clear that being pro-choice is not tantamount to condoning repulsive, criminal behavior. Remee Lee told reporters this week that she's grieving because she "dreams of becoming a mom." And this, she says, "was my chance."

 

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26 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i think the author of this piece sums it up pretty well:

 

 

Yep, the science isn’t settled.

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