Watch what benefits you use.

[CEE53147 559]

There is an incredible amount of fraud with the EITC and the Child Tax Credit.

[geowrian 22,337]

A few points of clarity...

1. This does not affect anybody who already has a green card.
2. This does not affect anybody who already has a visa, unless this actually goes into affect and then they later apply for a green card.
   1. The impact of using one of the noted services before it goes into effect is undetermined.
3. They have no say on any services that are made available, or somebody uses, via non-federal funds.
4. If you have an I-864 sponsor (or joint sponsor)...as do all family-based immigrants except self-petitioners (i.e. VAWA)...then they can't hold usage of these benefits against you as a risk to be a public charge differently than they do currently.
5. If you make 250% of the poverty level at the time of application for the benefit, they cannot use the past usage of these benefits against you.
6. The rules only apply if you used the services for 6+ months over the past 2 years.
7. You can pay a $10,000 bond to negate this, refundable after not using any said benefits for 5 years upon receiving the requested immigration benefit.

There's other restrictions and such, but overall this policy seems like it won't affect that many people in the end. It sounds like a crackdown on immigrants using taxpayer dollars for benefits, but it's actual applicability is quite small...mostly bark with very little bite.

[doggieandsam 765]

sorry i read it but as somebody new to this country, i cannot fully wrap my head around it hope somebody can enlighten me. they are saying that if and when this proposal passes, any immigrant, who has children and avails of the child tax credit *may* not be able to get residency or citizenship?

[geowrian 22,337]

7 minutes ago, doggieandsam said:

sorry i read it but as somebody new to this country, i cannot fully wrap my head around it hope somebody can enlighten me. they are saying that if and when this proposal passes, any immigrant, who has children and avails of the child tax credit *may* not be able to get residency or citizenship?

From what I saw (and somebody correct me if I missed it), this only applies when applying for an immigration benefit where they will consider the risk of the applicant becoming a public charge. Naturalization does not have this requirement. Obtaining permanent residency does have this requirement, but there's a number of ways around it that the vast majority of people can likely utilize (see my post above).

Edited March 30, 2018 by geowrian

[AdnanS 82]

2 minutes ago, geowrian said:

From what I saw (and somebody correct me if I missed it), this only applies when applying for an immigration benefit where they will consider the risk of the applicant becoming a public charge. Naturalization does not have this requirement. Obtaining permanent residency does have this requirement, but there's a number of ways around it that the vast majority of people can likely utilize (see my post above).

 

Geowrian, people who applied or going through the I-751 process will not be effected?

[geowrian 22,337]

2 minutes ago, AdnanS said:

Geowrian, people who applied or going through the I-751 process will not be effected?

ROC does not consider your financial status or public charge risk. It's entirely based on the marriage.

[doggieandsam 765]

3 minutes ago, geowrian said:

From what I saw (and somebody correct me if I missed it), this only applies when applying for an immigration benefit where they will consider the risk of the applicant becoming a public charge. Naturalization does not have this requirement. Obtaining permanent residency does have this requirement, but there's a number of ways around it that the vast majority of people can likely utilize (see my post above).

ok, thanks. i will need a lot of time to fully understand the whole process but i think i got it for this particular bit. but i must say, if this is indeed for those in danger of becoming a public charge, it seems to me this pretty mean for people who are already struggling. =(

[azblk 338]

1 minute ago, geowrian said:

From what I saw (and somebody correct me if I missed it), this only applies when applying for an immigration benefit where they will consider the risk of the applicant becoming a public charge. Naturalization does not have this requirement. Obtaining permanent residency does have this requirement, but there's a number of ways around it that the vast majority of people can likely utilize (see my post above).

I dont know many people that have $10000 just laying around to pay a bond for a service to which they are entitled to begin with. This is not just limit to the immigrant but also to the US citizen. So if your USC wife got EIC which she is entitled in the last 36 months then you they can say it somehow increases your chances of becoming a public charge. If a USC child in your household is enrolled in head-start then you can be in jeopardy of being denied due to a public charge.

This is not about immigrants using benefits but about preventing poor people from being able to sponsor family members and reducing the overall numbers of LEGAL immigration.

[N-o-l-a 7,167]

4 minutes ago, azblk said:

I dont know many people that have $10000 just laying around to pay a bond for a service to which they are entitled to begin with. This is not just limit to the immigrant but also to the US citizen. So if your USC wife got EIC which she is entitled in the last 36 months then you they can say it somehow increases your chances of becoming a public charge. If a USC child in your household is enrolled in head-start then you can be in jeopardy of being denied due to a public charge.

This is not about immigrants using benefits but about preventing poor people from being able to sponsor family members and reducing the overall numbers of LEGAL immigration.

 

This is actually very close to current Danish immigration law and I believe you can take a bank loan out to cover the bond there.  I don't know if that will be allowed in this case, but I could see it being a new predatory industry aimed at the poor.

 

We actually were not able to go through traditional immigration there because my husband took a month or two of cash help to pay rent after his company went under before he found a new job.  

 

Definitely directed at the poor and working class.

Edited March 30, 2018 by N-o-l-a

[geowrian 22,337]

Yes, it does sound like this will hit poor families the worst. I didn't try to imply that it would have no effect...it will (if it goes into effect and holds up in court) affect some families....mostly those who are already struggling.

 

Since I can't edit my prior post, I forgot to add one item:

Note the difference between a public charge risk vs enforcement of the I-864. Using said services for which you are legally qualified will not impact the I-864 sponsor(s) or your existing status (in terms of repayment). The proposed rules only apply when a CO or IO is assessing your public charge risk for the sake of obtaining a benefit. Once somebody has a green card, their public charge risk is not considered (unless, as noted above, the person petitions another immigrant).

Edited March 30, 2018 by geowrian

[dawning 212]

Seems hard to argue that denying immigration benefits to otherwise eligible parents of USC children based on children receiving benefits will help much of anyone... the kids are already USCs and are more likely to need some kind of public assistance if their parents remain in limbo states or get deported. 

I wonder if this might be partly directed at asylum recipients?

[N-o-l-a 7,167]

1 minute ago, dawning said:

 

I wonder if this might be partly directed at asylum recipients?

 

I believe the summary I read earlier exempted refugees.  

[Balamban 113]

Uh, hmm...  I bring my fiancee to America.  I agree that I will support her and that she will not become a public charge.  Seems fair to me.  Head Start is for those who live in poverty and I said: that will not happen with my fiancee and I am happily bound to it.

 

I predict that my fiancee, in less than 1 year will be making over poverty rate on her own.  I predict that it's likely that in five year's she'll be making > $40,000.

 

She's always wanted to be a nurse.  In America, it's a piece of cake to become CNA/LNA (Certified or licensed Nurrse Assistant).  I know of one recent fiancee immigrant that not makes over $35,000 with only a CNA and no college.  In most states (I'm not sure about all of them, you can take a CNA course for about $1200.  If you pass it, you'll have a job the next day--that is how much CNA's are in demand.  Pass the course and start working and *bingo* get your $1200 back.  If you don't have $1200, why did you bring a fiancee to America?  Besides, there are public services here who would loan it to you---so once again it's free.

 

USnationaldebtclock.org

 

It's great to be a provider to "the children."  It's great to give money out hand over fist in all directions, not just human services.  But look at that image!  That is real.  When you come to America and become a citizen YOU inherit that $64,000 debt.  The actual debt that a "working person" now carries is $173,550.  That is REAL folk.  Could you get a credit card, max it out at $10,000, then get two more to pay the interest on that $10,000 and spend the rest so now you have $30,000 in debt, so you get 4 new credit cards...on and on.  Does one single person here actually think that America's Ponzi finance system could possibly last forever?  It's not just America either.  We are in the biggest "bubble" in history. 

 

 

Who here pays even annually 10% of that "debt per taxpayer" which is $17,000/year if ALL of it was used to reduce USA debt?

 

The reality is: There is NO Free Ride--each ride pays, even if it means that the debt is passed on to your children and their children.

 

I know one person who came to America with intent to create an anchor baby.  And she did just that.  It's so sweet to say: "it for the children," but eventually someone must pay the piper.

 

And don't think that for one minute I'm some high and mighty income earner!  My income right now is zero/week.  I'm unemployed and ran out of unemployment benefits.  America is the land of opportunity if you work for it.  There is opportunity everywhere for everyone who is willing to pull back that palm-up "gimmee" hand and look for it.

 

The world is tight and getting tighter.  I say: Get used to it and get smart and get to work.

 

If you need to know about a CNA program message me with your state and I'll try to find you info.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Balamban 113]

32 minutes ago, azblk said:

I dont know many people that have $10000 just laying around to pay a bond for a service to which they are entitled to begin with.

 

Agreed.  For this bond it is quite simple: You hand over $10,000 + $100 to a bondman (oops bondsperson) and you now have a bond, it's quite simple.  Or you prove to the bondslady (uh...I' mean bondshuman) that you have, for instance plenty of assets in property that is attachable.  You will not get this sort in any other way.  Logic says if you have $10,000 you don't need programs lie TANF, Food Stamps or Head Start.

 

The "bond" is not a way out--it's a death sentence and a prelude to kick a person who needs it out of the country.  It's brutal--there's no other word for it.  It's a knee-jerk reaction but it's cause originates in the massive size (and ever increasing) debt.

[N-o-l-a 7,167]

3 minutes ago, Balamban said:

Uh, hmm...  I bring my fiancee to America.  I agree that I will support her and that she will not become a public charge.  Seems fair to me.  Head Start is for those who live in poverty and I said: that will not happen with my fiancee and I am happily bound to it.

 

I predict that my fiancee, in less than 1 year will be making over poverty rate on her own.  I predict that it's likely that in five year's she'll be making > $40,000.

 

 

 

My immigrant spouse was earning over 40k sooner than that and he has a 10th grade education.

 

However, in my state, a family our size can get medicaid for our children with a household income over 80k/year and then adding 11k per household member beyond that.  You are not eligible for subsidies or the state subsidized insurance if you are eligible for a lower level of program, like medicaid.

 

I personally don't feel that we are poor, but yes, working class for sure.  We pay all of our bills, we own a house, but we just can't afford health insurance.    That is a struggle many Americans face.  I vote for politicians who want to fix our broken healthcare system and beyond that, we are at the whims of whatever over-priced standards they set for healthcare.