US to require would-be immigrants to turn over social media handles

[qtime 24]

Apparently people missed the part that this was started under the Obama administration and it will be some time before it goes into effect. It is up for public comment right now. It is also amazing that no one bashed Obama when his administration started this program with a few high fraud countries. But that was ok and I would be willing to bet if it were the Obama administration broaden this policy no one would be bashing him like Trump is getting. So if you are going to bash anyone shouldn't it be Obama administration for starting this policy. I am not a Trump fan but let's call a spade a spade. And what does gun laws have to do with immigration. 

[ch3john 308]

9 minutes ago, aspiringnobody said:

Just a note to all the wonderful people here trying to come to my country...

 

This guy doesn't speak for all Americans.

 

I, for one, welcome you with open arms and am sorry you'll have to raise your children in fear of gun violence.

 

May you find your own American dream.

out of curiosity, you prefer convenience before security? 

Careful wishing people find their American Dream. It's been stated in this thread that there's a number of people that come here for love and don't care about American Dreams. 

[ch3john 308]

9 minutes ago, qtime said:

Apparently people missed the part that this was started under the Obama administration and it will be some time before it goes into effect. It is up for public comment right now. It is also amazing that no one bashed Obama when his administration started this program with a few high fraud countries. But that was ok and I would be willing to bet if it were the Obama administration broaden this policy no one would be bashing him like Trump is getting. So if you are going to bash anyone shouldn't it be Obama administration for starting this policy. I am not a Trump fan but let's call a spade a spade. And what does gun laws have to do with immigration. 

lol - I've wondered the same thing about gun laws and immigration. It's beyond a stretch

[Keith & Arileidi 437]

21 minutes ago, ch3john said:

out of curiosity, you prefer convenience before security? 

Careful wishing people find their American Dream. It's been stated in this thread that there's a number of people that come here for love and don't care about American Dreams. 

I know your question is not for me

But...

Yes.. and so do you.

Evidence being that you probably own a smart phone. 

Edited March 30, 2018 by Keith & Arileidi

[Orangesapples 1,954]

4 hours ago, AnonIndia said:

That won't happen. The American business owners should themselves prefer to hire citizens and legal immigrants out of love for their country and basic morality. But they won't. That kind of patriotism is absent. My fiance's employer voted for Trump but he almost exclusively hired illegals. People are hypocrites. Government will never do anything because the people themselves don't want to deport illegals. Not just corporations. 

What? Who's the idealist now? 

 

So laws and punishment are not needed at all then? People should just respect other people's money and not steal, they should respect other people's lives and not murder. But we still punish murder and theft and all other crimes. We should punish employers taking advantage of cheap labor, too. 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

56 minutes ago, qtime said:

Apparently people missed the part that this was started under the Obama administration and it will be some time before it goes into effect. It is up for public comment right now. It is also amazing that no one bashed Obama when his administration started this program with a few high fraud countries. But that was ok and I would be willing to bet if it were the Obama administration broaden this policy no one would be bashing him like Trump is getting. So if you are going to bash anyone shouldn't it be Obama administration for starting this policy. I am not a Trump fan but let's call a spade a spade. And what does gun laws have to do with immigration. 

People object to it no matter who introduced it because it's an invasion of privacy. And they're bashing Trump because he's an idiot and has said and done many retarded things already. Obama is no saint and he was wrong in many ways but at least he's capable of coherent speech. 

[usmsbow 802]

1 hour ago, qtime said:

 And what does gun laws have to do with immigration. 

Since you asked... 

 

The reason for this social media policy is due to the woman who came here on a K-1 visa who killed and wounded many people in San Bernardino. Might have been prevented from entering this country had this policy been in place then. Or so goes the theory. And to tie it to gun laws: she and her husband would not have been as deadly if it were harder to obtain a weapon here. At least in theory. 

 

Also, a big news story from a month or two ago was the undocumented resident who killed a woman in San Francisco. Found not guilty (probably was an accident). That gun was taken from a law enforcement officer's car though, so that was more due to a careless cop than any gun law.... 

 

 

 

 

[usmsbow 802]

The myth of the criminal immigrant, a timely article from the NYT:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/30/upshot/crime-immigration-myth.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

 

From the article:

 

In a majority of areas, the number of immigrants increased at least 57 percent and as much as 183 percent, with the greatest increases occurring in the 1990s and early 2000s. Violent crime rates in most areas ranged between a 43 percent decline and a 6 percent rise, often trending downward by the 2000s. Places with a sharp rise in the immigrant population experienced increases in crime rates no more frequently than those with modest or no growth in immigration. On average, the immigrant population grew by 137 percent between 1980 and 2016, with average crime falling 12 percent over the same period.

[AnonIndia 58]

7 hours ago, usmsbow said:

she and her husband would not have been as deadly if it were harder to obtain a weapon here. At least in theory. 

 

The couple got their weapons from a friend living out of state. California gun laws could not stop them from getting guns. 

 

 

 

 

[AnonIndia 58]

9 hours ago, usmsbow said:

. That's because federal prisons house illegal immigrants who commit immigration offenses. The ones who commit more serious crimes tend to be housed in state adult correctional facilities."

 

https://reason.com/archives/2018/02/01/immigrants-and-crime

 

 

 

 

You mean t say immigration offenses are less important than other crimes. Being a parasite that is making it harder for legal Americans and US  citizens to get hired and make a living is less of a crime than other offenses? Illegals also steal SSN and give law abiding immigrants and citizens a ton of headache. They harass US citizen women to marry them in workplaces so they can become legal. Immigration crimes are as bad as other major offenses. Illegals should be jailed for 10 years and then deported to deter future illegal immigration. 

[AnonIndia 58]

7 hours ago, usmsbow said:

The myth of the criminal immigrant, a timely article from the NYT:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/30/upshot/crime-immigration-myth.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

 

From the article:

 

In a majority of areas, the number of immigrants increased at least 57 percent and as much as 183 percent, with the greatest increases occurring in the 1990s and early 2000s. Violent crime rates in most areas ranged between a 43 percent decline and a 6 percent rise, often trending downward by the 2000s. Places with a sharp rise in the immigrant population experienced increases in crime rates no more frequently than those with modest or no growth in immigration. On average, the immigrant population grew by 137 percent between 1980 and 2016, with average crime falling 12 percent over the same period.

By saying immigrant population you make no difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants. Classic left wing tactic to group in people coming in legally and following the law with illegals who have no respect for the law or the country. The fact remains that illegal immigrants are over represented in all types of crimes from drug trafficking, murder, rapes and of course immigration fraud and identity theft. 

[AnonIndia 58]

9 hours ago, Unidentified said:

Yes, I replied to him before I saw your post. Thank you. I read the summary on DOJ and knew even from that little part that the report was biased but the guy I quoted insisted that FOX was right... Fox cant' read reports. 

If you had an open mind and watched the entire video you'll know it also states the increased rate of drug trafficking, murder and other serious offenses compared to US citizens. Just because it is from FOX doesn't mean it is always wrong.  

[usmsbow 802]

27 minutes ago, AnonIndia said:

You mean t say immigration offenses are less important than other crimes. Being a parasite that is making it harder for legal Americans and US  citizens to get hired and make a living is less of a crime than other offenses? Illegals also steal SSN and give law abiding immigrants and citizens a ton of headache. They harass US citizen women to marry them in workplaces so they can become legal. Immigration crimes are as bad as other major offenses. Illegals should be jailed for 10 years and then deported to deter future illegal immigration. 

Dude, if I wanted to hear tucker or Sean, I'd watch fox. Point is your video clip was not exactly accurate and immigrants, both the legal and illegal variety, are not more likely to commit crimes than natives. 

 

Edited to add: if you have anything indicating otherwise, please post the links. Thanks! 

Edited March 31, 2018 by usmsbow

[AnonIndia 58]

1 minute ago, usmsbow said:

Dude, if I wanted to hear tucker or Sean, I'd watch fox. Point is your video clip was not exactly accurate and immigrants, both the legal and illegal variety, are not more likely to commit crimes than natives. 

That is simply wrong. Legal immigrants commit LESS crime than US citizens on average. Illegal immigrants commit MORE crime on average than US citizens. That is a HUGE difference friend. Stop making excuses for illegals. 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

24 minutes ago, AnonIndia said:

Just because it is from FOX doesn't mean it is always wrong.  

Only 99% of the time