US to require would-be immigrants to turn over social media handles

[AnonIndia 58]

1 minute ago, Orangesapples said:

The problem is the lack of equal opportunity. 

Yes there is no equal opportunity. The pendulum has now swung all the way to the other side. There is an Indian guy who pretended to be black so he can get into medical school. Because apparently it is easier to get into med school if you are a certain race.

[Orangesapples 1,954]

Just now, Mina90 said:

Refer back to my other post. It does not matter about right/wrong, what we want or need. I most certainly don't agree nor am I complacent. You know how I defend myself from this? I don't post things on the internet I don't want people to find, I keep my laptop webcam covered. Simple, really. Much easier than trying to slay the immortal dragon.  

 

 

I do all of those things, too. What I have a problem with is all the people defending this policy as if it's right. People saying it's fine. It's not. And yes, real terrorists are not stupid enough to give the government their real accounts. 

[Jaquelly 1,647]

2 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

I do all of those things, too. What I have a problem with is all the people defending this policy as if it's right. People saying it's fine. It's not. And yes, real terrorists are not stupid enough to give the government their real accounts. 

 

They may not give them their real accounts, but I would throw out the assumption that you have no experience in skip tracing. If you have one alias, it's not hard to find others. You'd be amazed what people can lift off of one bit of information.

[AnonIndia 58]

1 minute ago, Orangesapples said:

I do all of those things, too. What I have a problem with is all the people defending this policy as if it's right. People saying it's fine. It's not. And yes, real terrorists are not stupid enough to give the government their real accounts. 

The woman who came in on a K1 visa and killed her coworkers along with her husband in San Bernadine made public posts on her Facebook about her hatred for Americans. Professional terrorists are most likely already on their databases. This would only help identify people who have radical thoughts and hate western culture from entering the US. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

The problem is the lack of equal opportunity. 

Lack of equal opportunity? How do you figure that? We live in a country where you can pretty much do whatever you want to do, and be whoever you want to be. There is no caste system here, there is no age cut off for jobs here. The USA was founded on the ability to if you work hard and make sacrifices sometimes that you can be whoever you want to be or do what you want to do. I have moved 4 times both Nationally and Internationally in the past 8 years for jobs and each time I have gotten a better and better job. The vast majority of people I talk to that complain about not having opportunities to get a good job or a better job usually has a couple things working against them:

 

1. I ask them if they want to relocate for a better job and a majority of them do not want to relocate for a better job.

2. I ask them if they have a criminal record, and in a number of cases they do have a criminal record.

3. I ask them if they are willing to start at the bottom to work your way up, and some people will take that chance others will not.

4. I ask about education what kind of schooling do they have. A large amount of people that went to college went for a Liberal Arts degree, others did not pursue any type of education past high school.

 

So don't give me this ####### of lack of opportunities. There are opportunities out there if you work at them. 

[Mina90 134]

1 minute ago, Orangesapples said:

I do all of those things, too. What I have a problem with is all the people defending this policy as if it's right. People saying it's fine. It's not. And yes, real terrorists are not stupid enough to give the government their real accounts. 

Like I said, I do not agree with the wrongs and nor am I complacent. I am simply showing you the light that we can't do squat. Who are you going to fight against? The US is not the only country who does this, Japan, for example, also does this to their people. It's not a US policy, it's a worldwide silent policy.  

 

As for terrorists and recognizing them, that's exactly what the US is trying to do by asking for social media history. You think that's the only thing they will look at? Of course not, they will look at a lot more things in the background check of intending immigrants as they have always done. Nothing to get so worked up over. The US is trying to do their job albeit not the best of ways to do it, but at least they are doing it. People complain when terrorists get in, but then also complain when they try to screen people to make sure terrorists don't win.

[Orangesapples 1,954]

4 minutes ago, AnonIndia said:

Yes there is no equal opportunity. The pendulum has now swung all the way to the other side. There is an Indian guy who pretended to be black so he can get into medical school. Because apparently it is easier to get into med school if you are a certain race.

The problem with inequality I was referring to is the lack of social mobility which is a complex problem and creating quotas doesn't really solve it in my opinion but if the answer to that was simple, we would have it by now. That's why it's important to focus government's efforts on complex problems like that, not just simple "look at us, we're fighting the bad guuuys!" they're doing now. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

5 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

The problem with inequality I was referring to is the lack of social mobility which is a complex problem and creating quotas doesn't really solve it in my opinion but if the answer to that was simple, we would have it by now. That's why it's important to focus government's efforts on complex problems like that, not just simple "look at us, we're fighting the bad guuuys!" they're doing now. 

You go from privacy to social mobility... What exactly are you talking about and what are you smoking, can I get some?

 

 

Edit. I have never nor will I ever smoke anything at all of the legal or illegal kind FYI.

Edited March 30, 2018 by cyberfx1024

[AnonIndia 58]

Just now, Orangesapples said:

The problem with inequality I was referring to is the lack of social mobility which is a complex problem and creating quotas doesn't really solve it in my opinion but if the answer to that was simple, we would have it by now. That's why it's important to focus government's efforts on complex problems like that, not just simple "look at us, we're fighting the bad guuuys!" they're doing now. 

The best hope for prosperity in a citizen's life is for the government to stay out of the citizen's life as much as possible in the form of low taxes, deregulation and non-infringement of rights while at the same time protecting the citizen from outside forces like illegal immigration or fraudulent immigration. My fiance struggles to find a job in NY because of all the illegal immigrants. When she is at work she is constantly harassed by illegals offering her money to marry them. It's not fare to citizens and legal immigrants. It's disgusting how much rights illegals have just because they are already in US soil. I would even argue it is easier to enter the US illegally now because of all the human rights groups supporting illegals and all the governors and mayors tipping off illegals about ICE raids.  

[Orangesapples 1,954]

1 minute ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Lack of equal opportunity? How do you figure that? We live in a country where you can pretty much do whatever you want to do, and be whoever you want to be. There is no caste system here, there is no age cut off for jobs here. The USA was founded on the ability to if you work hard and make sacrifices sometimes that you can be whoever you want to be or do what you want to do. I have moved 4 times both Nationally and Internationally in the past 8 years for jobs and each time I have gotten a better and better job. The vast majority of people I talk to that complain about not having opportunities to get a good job or a better job usually has a couple things working against them:

 

1. I ask them if they want to relocate for a better job and a majority of them do not want to relocate for a better job.

2. I ask them if they have a criminal record, and in a number of cases they do have a criminal record.

3. I ask them if they are willing to start at the bottom to work your way up, and some people will take that chance others will not.

4. I ask about education what kind of schooling do they have. A large amount of people that went to college went for a Liberal Arts degree, others did not pursue any type of education past high school.

 

So don't give me this ####### of lack of opportunities. There are opportunities out there if you work at them. 

I'm not complaining about myself, I'm privileged enough. I'm talking about the bigger picture. All the homeless people and all the CEOs making way more than what their work is worth. But that's a separate discussion that's actually worth having, meanwhile we're being distracted by fears about immigrants and many Orangutan in chief supporters find it easier to blame immigrants for their lost jobs when in fact things are way more complex and the people in power are the ones to blame. 

2 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

You go from privacy to social mobility... What exactly are you talking about and what are you smoking, can I get some?

 

 

Edit. I have never nor will I ever smoke anything at all of the legal or illegal kind FYI.

I just gave an example of a real life problem where efforts should be focused and someone started a discussion about it. 

[Mina90 134]

5 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Lack of equal opportunity? How do you figure that? We live in a country where you can pretty much do whatever you want to do, and be whoever you want to be. There is no caste system here, there is no age cut off for jobs here. The USA was founded on the ability to if you work hard and make sacrifices sometimes that you can be whoever you want to be or do what you want to do. I have moved 4 times both Nationally and Internationally in the past 8 years for jobs and each time I have gotten a better and better job. The vast majority of people I talk to that complain about not having opportunities to get a good job or a better job usually has a couple things working against them:

 

1. I ask them if they want to relocate for a better job and a majority of them do not want to relocate for a better job.

2. I ask them if they have a criminal record, and in a number of cases they do have a criminal record.

3. I ask them if they are willing to start at the bottom to work your way up, and some people will take that chance others will not.

4. I ask about education what kind of schooling do they have. A large amount of people that went to college went for a Liberal Arts degree, others did not pursue any type of education past high school.

 

So don't give me this ####### of lack of opportunities. There are opportunities out there if you work at them. 

So much of this!

 

My family comes from Bangladesh, over there people are more concerned with if they will get their next meal or if their home will be washed away from the monsoons. Here in the US, people don't appreciate what they have here, they are always complaining of what we should have or how messed up the gov't is. If people were in 3rd world countries like Bangladesh, they would see how if someone murders someone, they can just get away by bribing the corrupt police and gov't. No one gets an opportunity to complain because you would be silenced (and I mean by lethal means). Over there, there is no such as equality, no opportunity (heck, if you are past age 32, job market is basically not willing to hire you), poverty stricken, and much more.

 

At least in the US, people can voice their opinion. People have opportunities to advance in jobs they don't deserve, people can use "freedom of speech" to say whatever they want, do whatever they want, and then curse the gov't that allows them to do such.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Just now, Mina90 said:

So much of this!

 

My family comes from Bangladesh, over there people are more concerned with if they will get their next meal or if their home will be washed away from the monsoons. Here in the US, people don't appreciate what they have here, they are always complaining of what we should have or how messed up the gov't is. If people were in 3rd world countries like Bangladesh, they would see how if someone murders someone, they can just get away by bribing the corrupt police and gov't. No one gets an opportunity to complain because you would be silenced (and I mean by lethal means). Over there, there is no such as equality, no opportunity (heck, if you are past age 32, job market is basically not willing to hire you), poverty stricken, and much more.

 

At least in the US, people can voice their opinion. People have opportunities to advance in jobs they don't deserve, people can use "freedom of speech" to say whatever they want, do whatever they want, and then curse the gov't that allows them to do such.

Same thing in the Philippines as well. If you are in your 30's and laid off good luck in getting a job because your over the hill. If you voice a complaint with the government you can be killed for it. Some people are so poor in the Philippines they are reduced to having to eat what is called twice dead meat, basically meat that has been cooked for meal, thrown out, and picked up from the garbage to be cooked again.

 

That's one thing that I have always strived to tell my kids that you should be lucky to be living here and thankful for what you have. How kids trying to get ahead by going to school there are sometimes having to cross rivers on cables and hike over mountains in order to go to school.

[AnonIndia 58]

Just now, Orangesapples said:

I'm not complaining about myself, I'm privileged enough. I'm talking about the bigger picture. All the homeless people and all the CEOs making way more than what their work is worth. But that's a separate discussion that's actually worth having, meanwhile we're being distracted by fears about immigrants and many Orangutan in chief supporters find it easier to blame immigrants for their lost jobs when in fact things are way more complex and the people in power are the ones to blame. 

No. Illegals are to blame. Not the people in power or corporations. All the major corporations and business owners love illegals. The reason why people at the top make more money is because they are worth more. Ever heard of the Pareto Principle? It's also called the 20 80 rule. It is everywhere in nature. It means the top 20% is responsible for 80% of the outcome. The top 1% is responsible for 50% of the outcome. When you artificially try to redistribute and make everything equal like in the case of communism, you are going against nature and the system collapses.  Watch this video for further explanation. https://youtu.be/fCn8zs912OE

[Orangesapples 1,954]

1 minute ago, AnonIndia said:

No. Illegals are to blame. Not the people in power or corporations. All the major corporations and business owners love illegals. The reason why people at the top make more money is because they are worth more. Ever heard of the Pareto Principle? It's also called the 20 80 rule. It is everywhere in nature. It means the top 20% is responsible for 80% of the outcome. The top 1% is responsible for 50% of the outcome. When you artificially try to redistribute and make everything equal like in the case of communism, you are going against nature and the system collapses.  Watch this video for further explanation. https://youtu.be/fCn8zs912OE

Look, no one is disputing that a CEO should be paid more than a janitor. The problem is that CEOs are paid much, much more than they're worth in reality and there are studies that show that they don't contribute to the success of a company to that big of an extent. And you can go argue with economics and finance professors about that because this is a well known issue to the point where it's included in textbooks. The problem is not that people are paid differently (as they should be), the problem is the difference is getting bigger and bigger and not proportional to real contributions. 

 

And yes, if you compare the US to third world countries, it's better but it claims to be a great country, so not being extremely poor is a very low bar 

[AnonIndia 58]

Just now, Orangesapples said:

Look, no one is disputing that a CEO should be paid more than a janitor. The problem is that CEOs are paid much, much more than they're worth in reality and there are studies that show that they don't contribute to the success of a company to that big of an extent. And you can go argue with economics and finance professors about that because this is a well known issue to the point where it's included in textbooks. The problem is not that people are paid differently (as they should be), the problem is the difference is getting bigger and bigger and not proportional to real contributions. 

 

And yes, if you compare the US to third world countries, it's better but it claims to be a great country, so not being extremely poor is a very low bar 

Stupid rappers, Hollywood actors and pop musicians are also rich. They don't contribute anything meaningful to civilization or humanity as a whole. But people chose to give them their hard earned money by buying their stuff. The guy who came up with the fidget spinner is rich. The fact of life is that the top 1% will ALWAYS own 50% of the money. It is natural law. When you try to change it by getting the government involved and redistributing wealth or forcing down rich people's wages artificially, the financial system will collapse and everyone will suffer like in Venezuela or now the Scandinavian countires. The best way to for human prosperity is for government to stay away as much as possible.